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tareef ke liye alfaaz nahi chhoday! Allah kare aise hi zor-e-Qalam aur ZiyaadaH! tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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11th August 2014, 10:27 AM
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Zarrasaab.... behad khubsurat sher hai dilse daad..... duaaoN ke saath, Adil ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता 
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11th August 2014, 10:30 AM
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Shoaibbhai, waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! kya adaaygii hai... kya lafzoN kaa khel hai.................. behad khubsurat qitta pesh kiya hai, Shoaibbhai.......... dilse dheroN dheroN daad....... Adil ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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pehle to aapka bahot bahot shukriya.... yahaaN pe hameN aap jaise shoraoN se bahot kuch sikhna hai..... aapka yeh maanna bhii jaaez hai ki mere sher meN aib-e-do-lakht paida hota hai.. aur wo iis liye kyuN ki kahiN pe direct correlation qafas/kafas lafz ka dead body se nahi milta... aur aapkii dono interpretation bilkul sahi aur miltii jhultii hi hai .. aur maine kafas ko shariir se relate karne ke liye dusre misre (misra-e-saani) meN sard murde baar (cold dead burden) ka istemaal kiya hai.. magar shaayad usme clarity nahi hai.. aur yeh mere liye bhii ek seekhne ka zariya hai vaise yeh sher mere ek nijii tajurbe se nikla tha... jis incident se mujhe kaafi dard hua tha... aapne itnii khubsurti se aur itnii tehziib aur tafsiir se ye baat samjhaaii hai jo hamaare liye khaas maaine rakhtii hai... aur uske liye maiN aapka jitna bhii shukriya adaa karooN kam hoga... Shoaibbhai, aapne ye mudda uThaayaa aur uspe itnii charcha aage badhaayii jisse hameN kaafi kuch sikhne mila uske liye aapka bhii behad shukr guzaar hooN... aur jaise ki Zarraasaab ne bataayaa, aur bhii shaayaroN aur shoraoN kii iis pe charcha vichaarnaa jaari rahegi to hameN aur bhii ilm haasil hoga..... Zarraasaab, hum meN itnii zurrat kahaaN ki aapke sher ko leke koii bhii savaal uThaayeN  .. magar kabhii koii doubts honge to zaroor aapse iis qadar guftagoo ka silsila chalaayenge duaaoN ke saath, Adil ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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11th August 2014, 11:14 PM
chasm-e-namm, jabr-e-musalsal, azaab-e-judai!
ishQ na kiya! hum ne apna khaana kharaab kiya! tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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pehli "galti" ki ye is qadar khoobsurat baakamaal laajawaab sher hai ki jitni bhi pazeeraayee ki jaaye kam hogi aur jitni bhi daad di jaaye is ke saath mukammal insaaf naheen kar paayegi. pardhne waala lachaar mehsoos karta hai khud ko ki daad-o-tehseen se ise nawaaze bhi kaise kyunki saare alfaaz kam parh jaate hain is ki taareef karne ke liye. doosree "galti" ki aisa fusoon-e-alfaaz paida kiya hai is sher ne ke pardhne waala us se baahar naheen nikal paata aur isee mein qaid ho kar reh jaata hai. ab wo baaki duniya daari ke kaam kaise karega teesri "galti" ki maani ki gehraayee is qadar hai ki jitna doobo, doobne ko aur gehraayee aage dikhti hai. pardhne waala ek baar gharq hua to phir use dobaara naheen dekha gaya. khaas baat mujhe is sher mein ye lagi ki misra e saani pardhne ke baad sher ke do maani nikalte hain, jo ek dam alag hain, aur ek doosre se kuchh had tak contrary bhi jo lutf paida karte hain. aur phir qayaamat ye ke wo donon maani phir saath aa jaate hain aur ek larger maani ki taraf ishaara karte hain. is hisaab se jo interpretation mere zehn mein aaya wo ye hai ki. kisi ki khata ko jo darguzaar karne us ke hisse azaab aata hai, par doosra maani ye bhi nikalta hai ki jis ki khata ko darguzaar kiya gaya ho us ke liye bhi azaab hai. larger meaning mere zehn mein nikal raha hai ki har haal mein azaab donon taraf hai, donon logon ke hisse mein aane waala hai, donon mein se koyee bhi naheen bach paata, aur ye bhi kab, khata faraamosh karne ke baad ! kamaal kamaal kamaal kamaal kamaal ! isee baat se mujhe Ghalib ka ek azeem sher yaad aa raha hai jis mein mujhe 2 maani dikhe jo ek doosre ke complete and perfect opposites hain. yaani ek hi sher ke do bilkul ulte maani nikal sakte hain. yahi hai genius of ghalib wo sher hai. daayam parha hua tere dar par naheeN hooN maiN khaak aisi zindagi pe ke patthar naheeN hooN maiN Ghalib is sher mein kisi ke dar ka patthar hone ko sab se barhi khushkismati bhi kaha ja sakta hai aur sab se barhi laanat bhi. 1 I regret that I am not perenially lying at your door. Shame on such a life in which I could not become a stone (outside your door) 2 Do not consider me as someone who is lying perennially on your door I would consider such a life a shame, after all I am not a stone (outside your door) Sheer genius of Ghalib ! Sorry for the diversion. Chaliye ab N@zneen ji ke sher par waapas aage hain. Ab aap hi bataaiye N@zneen ji, itni saaree "galtiyon" ke liye aap se kuchh kahoon bhi to wo WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ke alaawa aur kya ho sakta hai bahaut bahaut mubaarakbaad N@zneen ji - meri dua hai aap ki shayari yoon hi din duni aur raat chauguni tarakki karti jaaye ! bas ek point arz karna chaahoonga just as a matter of discussion aap ke sher ke zariye seekhne ka ek baareek nukta zehn mein aaya hai, jis par aap ki ijaazat se, kuchh arz karna chaahoonga. mujhe is nukte ki mukammal samajh naheen ho paayee hai ab tak, aur abhi tak pasopesh mein hi hoon is ke baare mein, to is par kuchh questions aur kuchh hypothesis arz kar raha hoon. agar N@zneen ji aap ya koyee bhi SDC member is par roshni daal sake to bahaut mehrbaanee hogi. N@zneen ji aisa mat samajhiyega ki main aap ki galti ginaane se katra raha hoon aur is liye gol gol kar ke baat kar raha hoon . jo main arz karne waala hoon wo aap ke sher ki galti naheen hai, bas ek baareek nukta hai jo mere zehn mein aaya hai aur jis par main koyee bhi mukammal raay naheen bana paaya hoon is liye ahl-e-mehfil ke saamne ye baat rakh raha hoon ki hum sab saath saath seekh sakeinFaraamosh khataaoN ko kis kadar karna? Musaawee e azaab hai darguzar karna. -N@zneen is sher ka misra-e-oola sawaal ki shakl mein hai jaisa ki "?" se zaahir hota hai aur sher ke construct se bhi. mere man mein sawaal aaya ki agar ye misra sawaal ki shakl mein hai, to kya is mein kya koyee khaas lafz hona chaahiye jis se ye 100% clear ho jaaye ki ye misra ek sawaal hai, taaki agar punctuation mark naheen bhi ho, to bhi ye sawaal ke taur par hi nazar aaye (kyunki shayari ya kavita suni sunaayee bhi jaati hai apart from being read, to us ke misre ya panktiyaan punctuation marks par dependant naheen honi chaahiye ideally - aisa ek opinion hai, need not be a patthar ki lakeer ) to jo pehla jawaab mere zehn mein aaya wo ye tha ki jumla "kis qadar" ise sawaal banaata hai. par phir bhi kuchh udherh bun man mein baaki rahi, ki phir ye sawaal utha ki kya "qis qadar" ek genuine question waala jumla hai that means "to which extent ?" ya kya ye ek rhetorical question ka jumla jis ke maayne hain "to a great extent" and hence it is a descriptor rather than a genuine question. or ismit versatile to include both the treatments - a a genuine question and as a descriptor of "bahaut zyada".jab is ka koyee mukammal jawaab naheen soch paaya to ustaad shora ke kuchh aashaar par nazar daalee jahaan jumla "kis qadar" ka istemaal kiya gaya hai 1. ab ke mausam ki adaa dekh ke yaad aaya hai kis qadar jald badal jaate haiN insaaN jaanaaN -faraaz 2. dil kis qadar shikasta hua tha ke raat "meer" aayee jo baat lab pe so fariyaad ho gayee -meer 3. kis qadar hoga yahaaN mehr-o-wafa ka maatam hum teri yaad se jis roz utar jaayeNge -faiz 4. un ke khat ki aarzoo hai un ke aaamad ka khayaal kis qadar phaila huwa hai kaarobaar-e-intezaar -hasrat mohani 5. shole se n hoti havas-e-shola ne jo ki jee kis qadar afsurdagi-e-dil pe jala hai -ghalib 6. ye zid ke aaj n aave aur aaye bin n rahe qaza se shikwa humeiN qis qadar hai kya kahiye -ghalib 7. kis qadar tum pe garaaN sub'h ki bedaaree hai hum se kab pyaar hai haaN neeNd tumheiN pyaaree hai -iqbaal 8. kis qadar seedha sahal saaf hai rasta dekho n kisi shaakh ka saaya n kiss deewaar ki tekh n kisi aaNkh ki aahat n kisi chehre ka shor door tak koyee naheeN koyee naheeN koyee naheeN - gulzaar ki nazm se aashaar ka to lutf bahaut aaya par uljhan pooree tarah door naheen ho paayee  . mujhe aisa laga (sahi ya galat pata naheen) ki aashaar 1,3,5,8 mein in ka rhetorical question waala version aata hai, yaani ye jumla question naheen balki descriptor laga, kyunki in aashaar mein "kis qadar" ke sawaal ka koyee jawaab naheen diya gaya hai aur is jumle ka role kisi cheez ke "bahaut zyaada" hone ko dikhaata hua lagta hai.aashaar 2,4, 6,7 mein muamala thorha aur bhi pecheeda laga kyunki in mein ye as descriptor bhi fit hota hua dikha, par ye gunjaaish bhi hai ye question ka bhi hissa ho sakta hai - may not be an obvious question, might be a veiled question. to jaisa main ne arz kiya, main bilkul bhi sure naheen hoon, aur kisi bhi doosre opinion ko tah e dil se welcome karoonga, jis se kuchh seekhne ko mil sake. jury is still out in the SDC court lekin agar ek minute ke liye "kis qadar" ko as a rhetorical question ya as a descriptor maan liya jaaye, just as a temporary assumption, misra-e-oola mein shaayad kuchh hint daalne ki gunjaaish ho sakti hai us ko ek genuine question banaane ke liye e.g. "kis qadar tak" ya "bhi kis qadar" ya "chaahiye kis qadar karna" etc etc or something better than the examples I have given .... doosra option ye ho sakta hai phir misra-e-oola ko question ki jagah statement banaana bhi consider kiya ja sakta hai, e.g. "is qadar kara". but all these points will come only if and only if the hypothesis that I have stated is true. agar ye hypothesis galat hai, to "na khaya na piya, gilaas toda baarah aana" N@zneen ji, this is just some loud thinking that I have indulged in. The misra is sounding perfectly natural and appropriate, I was just wondering that is there a nuance which we should be considering, just a small point for your consideration ... it is not conclusive and I could be entirely wrong as well. I would greatly value your opinion and advice on this matter. jis se mujhe bhi kuchh seekhne mo mile. chaliye, meri itni lambi post pardh ke aap sab ko sard dard ho gaya ho gaya hoga. to ek saridon lijiye aur mashq-e-sukhan mein jut jaaiye ek baar phir N@zneen ji ko dheron dheron daad ek shaandaar zabardast sher kehne par aur humein ek aur nukta-e-zubaan par discussion karne ka mauka dene ke liye. duaon ke saath Zarraa mera maqaam sada manziloN se door raha |
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12th August 2014, 01:01 AM
Bahaut bahaut shukriya Aadeil bhai, mujhe meri haisiyat se barh kar samajhne ke liye. Aap ke adab,tehzeeb, ilm, pyaar, mohabbat ka main kaayal ho gaya hoon aur aap ko dil ki gehraaiyon se duaein deta hoon
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12th August 2014, 01:35 AM
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jis andaaz se aap tareef karte haiN.. aise lagta hai jese shayer ka likha takmeel ho gaya! .. aise hi milte rahiye ga, DuaooN ke saath,, tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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12th August 2014, 10:02 AM
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kya baat hai, Hassanbhai...... laajawaab lafz bhii adnaa sa lagtaa hai iis sher ke aage............ dilse dheroN dheroN daad......... ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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kuch aashaar hamaari jaanib se
ghuNghaT meN chehraa, aaNkHoN pe pehraa kaisaa azaab ye zaalim naqaab hai ------------------------------- rihaa huaa magar azaab maiN liye jiyaa karuuN terii galii ko chhoR ke bhii ashq jo piya karuuN ------------------------------- azaab-e-ranj se burii azaab-e-naar to nahi jalaa kare magar tere azaab-e-hijr meN hi hum ------------------------------- ulfat milii azaab milaa aur gham milaa iis ruuh ko milaa bhii to qaid-e-qafas milaa ========================== ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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12th August 2014, 11:44 AM
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aur sabhi aashaar par aap ko dheron daad !!!mera maqaam sada manziloN se door raha |
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doston ... waise to lafz-e-azaab par ghaur karne ka aaj aakhiri din tha, par kyunki guftagoo abhi bhi garm hai, to hum ye silsila ek din aur jaaree rakhenge ... yaani kal raat (13th Aug) raat 9:00 PM India time ya 3:30 pm GMT tak.
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aapke pyaar aur hausla afzaaee ke liye mamnoon hooN.. vaise maine ek galti kii hai ek sher meN... jo abhi abhi gaur kiya ... wo sher modify karke post kar rahaa hooN....ulfat milii azaab mile aur gham mile iis ruuh ko milii bhii to qaid-e-qafas milii 'qaid' lafz muannas hai, aur hamne ye gaur hi nahi kiya tha ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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kya kHub kahaa, zarraasaab..... contradiction meN relativity..... waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!! bahot hi khubख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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Kamaal per kamaal hai!...... Aur insaan wohi kamyaab hota hai, jo apni ghalti ko khud hi samjhe, aur ussay sudhaaray! hats off dear!likhte rahiye, DuaooN ke saath, tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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seedhe lafzooN meiN.. seedhi sacchi aur mukamal baat... waH... is martaba bhi aap ne apna hunar dikhaya hai.. DherooN daad qabool kijiye! DuaooN ke saath, tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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Zarraasaab ne 1 din grace diya to jaldbaazi meN ek adnaa si galti kar baitha  ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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12th August 2014, 05:22 PM
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behad khubsurat mudda uThaayaa hai ilmii tor pe Zarraasaab kaa ab intezaar hai..... ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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12th August 2014, 05:30 PM
dair-o-haram ke paas meN jo e'tiqaad* huva
har uun azaab-e-jaa.n** se mai.n aur sa.ng-zaad*** huva When I started believing* in regards of temples & mosques (religion/faith), I became even more heartless*** with each of that suffering** (which I got from belief) ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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12th August 2014, 07:15 PM
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..... Zainy PalkoN ki baand ko tod ke daaman pe aa gira Ek aaNsu mere zabt ki tauheen kar gaya... Nm |
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12th August 2014, 11:09 PM
[QUOTE=N@zneen;465189]Really my sher is so good ......
...... ... samajhne aur samjhane mein pura pura insaaf kiya thank you my dear frnd N@zneen ji, aap ka sher har maayne mein daad aur pazeeraaye ka haqdaar tha to isiliye main ne us ki taareef ki hai. Aap ne aur Hassan sahab ne waaqayee behtareen analysis aur daleelein pesh kareen hain. bahaut bahaut khoob !! Pardhne mein bhi lutf e guftagu e sukhan haasil hua aur kaafi kuchh seekhne ko bhi mila. Aap donon ka tah e dil se shukrguzaar hoon ! Aap ki baat padh ke ab mujhe bhi aisa hi lag raha hai ki kisi misre ko sawaal ki shakl dene ke liye ye zarooree naheen ki koyee khaas lafz istemaal mein aaye jo us misre ko sawaal ki identity de. Aa bhi sakta hai, naheen bhi ho sakta hai, there is no constraint in this matter. jo aashaar aap ne aur Hassan sahab ne quote kiye, aur kuchh jo main ne quote kiye the, un mein koyee specific word naheen mil paaya jo unhein sawaal bana raha ho. It is done either through a "?" or via interpretation of the reader. Waise agar kabhi ye baat pooree tarah waaze n bhi ho sake ki misra sawaal hai ya naheen, to us kashmakash se bhi lutf aur maani paida ho sakta hai Rahi baat punctuation mark jaise "?" ke zariye misre ke interpretation ko communicate karne ki, to agar ye mashhoor aur mane huwe shora ne kiya hua hai, jis ki misaal aap ne di, to phir is mein koyee dikkat naheen nazar aati mujhe (haan bas agar kisi mushayare ya mefhi mein aap aisa sher suna rahe hon to voice modulation aur verbal dramatisation se hi "?" ka effect create karna hoga )Chaliye, ye oopar waali baatein to saaf ho gayeen hain (at least mere mind mein, koyee aur member is par comment karna chaahein to most welcome ) Bahaut bahaut shukriya Na@zneen ji mere doubts ko clear karne ke liye, and compliments for fabulous commentary and research to you and Hassan sahab Bas ek do si baatein arz karna chaahoonga ... Ghalib aur Meer ke quoted aashaar par. ye mere do sab se zyaada pasandeeda shayar hain, jin ko main idol maanta hoon, to in ke aashaar par kuchh kahe bina raha naheen jaata to kuchh arz karne ki ijaazat chaahoonga. Waise jo main neeche kehne waala hoon, us se oopar wale conclusions par koyee bhi fark naheen parhega .... this is a different aspect what I am going to talk about, and would look forward to comments and opinions, and counter opinion is most most welcome aap se ye ilteja hai ki Ghalib ke is sher ko meherbaanee kar ke ek baar phir se check kar lein ishrat e qatl ke ahl e tamanna, mat pooch eid e nazaara hai shamsheer ka aryaaN hona Ghalib is ka misra e oola behr mein naheen lag raha hai. is ka jo version main ne pardha hua hai wo hai "ishrat e qatlgah e ahl e tamanna mat pooch". behad hi umdah aur baakamaal sher hai ye - wordplay aur meaning ki kya jalwagari hai is mein - "jab qatlgaah mein talwaar nangi hoti hai to eid ke chaand ke nazaare jaisa gumaan hota hai passionate logon ko". neeche ek link paste kar raha hoon jis mein is ki tafseel se umdah commentary kari gayee hai. http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/p...17/17_05.html? Aap ne ek aur behad hi khoobsurat aur mashhoor sher quote kiya., Meer ka ... dekh toH dil ke jaaN se uth’ta hai yeh dhuaaN sa kahaN se uth’ta hai Meer is sher ki khoosbsurti aur husn ki jitni taareef ki jaaye kam hai. ek seedhe saade se lagne waale sher mein Meer ke genius ne bahaut se maani chupa ke rakkhe hain. is sher mein mujhe question aur answer ka ek complicated system mehsoos ho raha hai, jis se bahaut saare interpretations imagine kiye ja sakte hain.below are my personal interpretations only and not technical or expert opinion .... 1st interpretation : donon misre questions hain dekh toH dil ke jaaN se uth’ta hai ? yeh dhuaaN sa kahaN se uth’ta hai ? misra e oola mein "dekh to" aur "ke" usey question bana dete hain, kyunki dhunwe ka source between dil aur jaan kya hai ye sure naheen hai. yahi lack of surety, misra e saani mein ek aur question ke roop mein reinforce hoti hai "kahaan" ke zariye, ki in donon mein se source kaun sa hai ye sure naheen hain. yaani ki Meer sahab ne question ka answer bhi question se diya hai 2nd interpretation : oola is a statement and sani is a question dekh toH dil ke jaaN se uth’ta hai. yeh dhuaaN sa kahaN se uth’ta hai ? agar misra e oola ko question naheen maanein aur kahein ki "dekh to" ek instruction hai, aur misra e saani ko "kaheen" ki wajah se question hi maanein, to maze ki baat hai ki sher mein pehle answer aata hai aur us ke baad question 3rd interpretation : oola is a question and saani is a statement dekh toH dil ke jaaN se uth’ta hai ? yeh dhuaaN sa kahaN se uth’ta hai. oola ko question maan sakte hain ki "where is the smoke emanating from, between dil and jaan" aur phir saani ko as a statement interpret kar sakte hain ki "make it clear the where this smoke emanates from" I'm sure there can be many more interpretations of this genius sher by the genius shayar Meer. It is possible some of the above interpretations may be incorrect, in which case please do point them out. Chaliye, aap sab ka kaafi waqt le liya. ek baar phir se N@zneen ji aur Hassan bhai ka bahaut bahaut shukriya jo unhonein apne bahaut hi khoobsurat aur umdah khayaalaat hamaare saath baante, jin se is activity ka sahi maqsad haasil hua. dheron duaein ke saath Zarraa mera maqaam sada manziloN se door raha |
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12th August 2014, 11:16 PM
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12th August 2014, 11:19 PM
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12th August 2014, 11:32 PM
moHterma Nazneen SaHiba , Mohteram Hassan Bhai app dono ka beHad mamnoon hoN app ne bahut umda sawal poocha or moHteram zarra SaHb ka bhi jinhoN ne iska behtareen Jawab diya
yaqeenan app sabhi se mujh jaisy talib ElmoN ko bahut kuch seekhny ko mila hai or aainda bhi aisy hi milta rahy ga app sabhi ka beHad shukriayh , reps +++ |
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12th August 2014, 11:36 PM
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mukammal ghazal pesh-e-nazar hai:-  Quote:
maiN oper di gayi aap ki sabhi interpretations se mutafiQ (sehmat) hooN! Aise hi hamari madad aur hausla afzaai karte rahiye ga! Apna khiyaal rakhiye ga, DuaooN ke saath,, tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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12th August 2014, 11:54 PM
moHteram Hassan bhai mere pass jo Ghalib saHb ke deewan ka nusKha hai us mai kuch youN hai sher
عشرتِ قتل گہِ اہل تمنا، مت پوچھ عیدِ نظّارہ ہے شمشیر کا عریاں ہونا aur degar jaghoN mai bhi kuch issi tereH hai https://www.facebook.com/urdu.duniya...32888153476569 http://urduhaijiskanam.yolasite.com/...9%84%D8%A8.php |
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12th August 2014, 11:58 PM
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For example liya tha Ghalib saheb ki ghazal se yeh shair, socha nahi tha ke kisi ne ghazal meiN is Qism ki changes ki hoN gi..... tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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13th August 2014, 02:04 AM
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I'll always be there (insha Allah) wherever required! tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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13th August 2014, 02:28 AM
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ghazab dhaa diya janab.. bohat bohat khoob.. lekin koshish kijiye ke lafzoN ko jitna mumkin ho sake joD ke likheN.. us taraH hazireeN ko phad'ne meiN bhi asaani rahe gi aur samajhne meiN bhi! aate rahiye,, mehfil roshan karte rahiye,, DuaooN ke saath,, tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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13th August 2014, 02:39 AM
Zarraa saheb.. kal hum thode se free the, aur mood meiN bhi the ke kuch shayri ki jaye..
fusoon ka lafz 'azaab' bhi zehn meiN tha.. toH younhi aapas ki guftugu ke doraaN Naaz aur iss na-cheez ne yeH Qit'a tarteeb diya.... woh haqeeqat na sahi saraab to hai lamha ba lamha toot'ta azaab to hai phad raha hooN jese khiyaal ki tehreer! haath meiN mere ik kitaab to hai! saraab : mirage, illusion tumhara shoq dekha to ghazal hum ne nazar kar di! kabhi fursat meiN sun lena, bohat ashaar baqi haiN... ("Asad") |
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13th August 2014, 10:31 AM
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kya baat hai, kya khubsurat khayaaloN se pur qitta paRha hai..... daad hi daad hamaari jaanib se ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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13th August 2014, 10:33 AM
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daad ke liye shukriya aur aage se zaroor khayaal rakhenge aapkii kahi baat ka ख़ुदा परेशां तेरी बला से तेरे सितम से तेरे अधम से अगर हसीँ होते ज़ुल्म तेरे तू भी तो कुछ शर्मसार होता
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13th August 2014, 10:34 AM
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Ummeed hai ki ye mohabbat bhara seekhne ka silsila musalsal chalta rahe ! mera maqaam sada manziloN se door raha |
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