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19th March 2011, 07:15 PM
sabhi dosto ko namaste.....
aaj subah sdc ke ek puraane dost ka phone aaya.....phirse kuch likhna ka dil kiya......kuch purana kaam kiya hua tha( is ghazal ka)...use aaj poora kar diya halanki ye design ke hisab se ek geet jyada hai aur shayad ghazal kam..... jo jaisa samjhhe. gulam ali ki dhun hai' kabhi aah lab pe machal gayi,kabhi as askh aankho se Dhal gaye' regards ------------------------------ teri paayalon ki khanak se ik, dabi aag dil ki dhahak gayi khuda jaane kya mera hashr ho ,jo naqaab rukh se sarak gayi teri aankh me wahi baat hai,mere haal ka wahi haal hai teri sharm jaane gayi kidhar, kaha jaane meri jhijak gayi raha chand mujhse khafa khafa, na hi taare hi rahe rahnumaa mere askh me base jugnuoo, se ye raat meri chamak gayi mere khwab me jo shafaq sa tha, koi saya jaise ho waqt ka mai to hosh hi me tha har ghadi, meri aankh kaise jhapak gayi hua khud se zidd yu muqaabla, kya hai dil balaa, jo pata chala teri yaad ka liye kaarwaa, meri aah duur talak gayi |
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20th March 2011, 09:35 AM
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 Kya Khoob Ghazal Likhi Hai ......... Matle Se Maqte Tak ....... Kis Ashaar Ko Khaas KahooN ... Kis ashaar Ko Pehle Daad DooN ... PaDh PaDh Ke Zehn Ki AankheN Chamak Gai ...... ! SuperBBBB Creation ... tahe dil se daad hazir hai ... qubuul FarmaayeN ... !  aise hi behtreen taraanoN ke saath humeshaa aate rahe ... likhte rahen ... ! khush rahen ... ! apna theek se khayaal rakhen ... ! duaaoN ke saath ... !  YuuN Besabab Aansoo Aate NahiN Lag Zaroor Koii Baat Dil Ko Rahii Hai ... Fareb Kaa ChaDhtaa Bazaar Dekh Insaaf Se Bastii Khaalii Ho Rahii Hai ... ---Naresh Mehra---- |
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21st March 2011, 12:39 PM
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ji.....nice creation................. Radhika  Seene Me Zakham Utarey Chale Gaye Jo Humpe Guzari Guzarey Chale Gaye Woh Aayega Ek Din Milne Humse Naam Uska Hi Pukarey Chale Gaye E-mail : radhika.nm2@gmail.com |
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21st March 2011, 01:21 PM
Zidd saaHeb:
namaste! behterin Khayaal... dil se daad aur duaaeN...! yuuNhi bazm ki Shaan baDhaate rahiye... KhuSh raheN... apnaa Khayaal raKheN duaaoN ke saath ijaazat aapka ~Dhaval |
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25th March 2011, 07:48 AM
Zidd bhai
radhe radhe teri paayalon ki khanak se ik, dabi aag dil ki dhahak gayi khuda jaane kya mera hashr ho ,jo naqaab rukh se sarak gayi teri aankh me wahi baat hai,mere haal ka wahi haal hai teri sharm jaane gayi kidhar, kaha jaane meri jhijak gayi hua khud se zidd yu muqaabla, kya hai dil balaa, jo pata chala teri yaad ka liye kaarwaa, meri aah duur talak gayi bahut Khoooooooooooooob ............ dil se daad hazir hai .... qabool ki jiye humari bhi .... yuhi likhte rahiye ............ ! Aapka Apna Ishk 'इश्क' के बदले इश्क चाहना तिजारत है इज़हार किससे करें महबूब तो दिल में है email: rkm179@gmail.com 
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21st January 2013, 12:17 AM
Bahut achhe zidd saaheb
Khayalaat ke to aap shuruaat se saanii hai .. Daad Reps ++ |
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Zidd saahab.. sach kahun to aapki ghazlon me jo lutf hai, wo kahin aur nazar nahi aata... alagh hi kuch baat hai isme ke baar baar padhne ko jee chaahata hai.... bas ek baat jo mujhe pareshaan kar rahi hai, ijaazat ho to pooch looN...??? Naqaab- Muzakkar hai ya Muannis. Kyonki aapne ise as a muannis pesh kiyaa hai, aur waise bhi ek gaana hai "Saraktii jaae hai rukh se naqaab" lekin agar is gaane ko chhod diyaa jaae to mujeh to badii muskil huii iske muannis paane me.... halaki muzakkar ke kai example mile hain.... aap dekh leiN ek baar... Sarak gaya jis ghadi sir se naqaab uska, le gayaa jaan meri zaalim hijaab uska, mehekte rehte the jinse mere sham-o-sahar, ab bhi pannon mein dabaa rakhaa hai gulaab uska, jab bhi hoti hai koi baat shab-e-mehfil mein, jikr hota hai her baat mein janaab uska. Aaftaab bhi nikal jaata hai andheron se naqaab chehre se zaraa bhi na hilta hai husn e janaan ki jhalak ko tadpta hua ye dil kaash sarak jaata naqab dua kerte hua ye dil Naqaab kya chupae ga shabab-e-husn ko "IQBAL" Nigah-e-ishq to pathar b cheer deti hai.. ab ummeed karta hon bade bhai.. ab aap meri baatOn se naraaz na hote hue bas mera maslaa hal karne me meri madad karenge..... Waise bhi aapne kaha hai ke aajkal kaafi fursat me hain janaab, to maine socha lage haanthOn kuch pooch looN...  ILM me izaafa hoga... Shukriyaa. Shaad... |
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21st January 2013, 04:40 PM
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"hua khud se zidd yu muqaabla, kya hai dil balaa, jo pata chala teri yaad ka liye kaarwaa, meri aah duur talak gayi"........waah!! |
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21st January 2013, 10:34 PM
Waise bhi urdu ek zubaan hai aur shayri lahza .. aur lahze meiN upar niche ki guniaaish rahti hai ..ameer minai saaheb ko apni shayri meiN SARAKTII JAAYE zyada achha laga to unhone naqaab ko muannis kar diya..
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22nd January 2013, 03:13 PM
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mai app per tanQeed bilkul nahi ker raha , bus apni tasalee ke liye kuch poochna chahtaa hoN . sab se pehly to yeh Hairat hai keh ameer minaaee ne sarakti ko saraktaa kiyoN nahi likha ? jab ke dono hi Haalat mai peRha or gunagunaaya jaa sakta hai . phir bhi unhoN ne saraktee jaaey hai kiyoN istemaal kiya  bahut hi pecheedgee hai or doosra yeh bhi poochna hai keh kiya ameer minaee saHb ghaltioN se paak thay ? wo koii ghaltee nahi ker sakty thay ? abhee do hi din pehley mai shae'ree mai naqS "shutur garbah" ke baary mai peRh raha tha , to mujhy ustaadoN ke kalaam mai bhi bahut hi jaga shutur garba nazar aaya aik miCaal pesh kerta hoN jissey app ginty they aashnaa , jissy app kehty they bawafaa maiN wahi hoN momin e mumtilaa , tumhaiN yaad ho ke ya yaad ho yahaN iska zikr zarooree to naheeN tha phir mai iska kiyoN ker raha hoN ? ab sawal yeh aata hai zehn mai keh kiya momin saHb is naqS se bekhabar thy ? aur ager bakhabar thy to phir aisa kiyoN ker likha ? zyada tar ustaad is naqS k murtakib rahieN haiN or sab se zyada lut^f ki baat to yeh hai keh sabhi ne is naqS ko tasleem bhi kiya hai , mager gaahy bagaahy is a'eb ko dohraaty rahy haiN . or dosry ustaadoN ne us per koee tanQeed bhi nahi kee . ab zara sawal muzakar ya muanaC per bhi ho jaaey . mujhy sharm aa gayaa ? maiN ne khaana khaaee ? maiN ne paanee pee ? mujhy pyaar aaii ? darj e baalaa sabhi alfaaZ bejaan haiN or muzakar bhee , kiya inka istemaal saHeeH hai ? aakhir mai , shaad bhai se muKhaatib honaa zarooree smajhtaa hoN . shaad bhaaee calmn down , mai kisee ke bhee t^araf daaree naheeN ker raha , mager mujhy kshitiz saHb ki kahee gaeii baat maiN kaheeN bhi appki baat ka mazaak uRaana nahieeN lag raha , agerchy unhoN ne baat mazaak mai zaroor kee hai . mager aam bol chaal maiN aksar aisy alfaaz hoty haiN jo hum bhi ghalat^ bolty haiN kiyoN keh uska andaaza hamieN khud bhi nahi hota aaya yeh muzakaar hai ya muanac , iski micaalieN bahut jald pesh karoNga . |
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22nd January 2013, 05:47 PM
Sameer saaheb ..
Awwal to maiN aapka gunahgaar huN kyu ki aapko meri baat ka bura laga par yaqeen maaniye mera irada rattii bhar bhi aapka dil dukhaane ka nahii tha .. apnii baat ko haNsii meiN kahne ka sabab bas itna tha ki aapko vo khale na ..aapke sawaal ka mazaak banana nahii .. Hum jis cheez ko jaisa sunte aaye haiN hume vo waisi hi achhi lagti hai par ho sakta hai kahiN koi aur usi cheez ko kisi aur dhang se kahta ho .. Maslan maine logoN ko kahte suna falaaN jagah bahut pahuche hue baba KI mazaar hai to mazaar muannas hui jabki ghalib saaheb ka sher hai Hue mar ke hum jo ruswa hue kyu na garq e dariya Na kahiiN janaza uth-ta na kahiN mazaar banta Ab iss baat pe agar hum bahas kareiN ki mazaar muannas hai ya muzzakkar to kya munasib hoga kyuN koi saboot to hai nahi muannas aur muzakkar ka .. jaandaar aur bejaan cheez se mera yahi matlab tha .. Aapne jin chizoN ka hawala diya unhe 10 me se 10 log wahi pukaarte haiN jo aapne kaha par unka kya. Jinhe 10 me se 7 kuch aur kahte haiN aur 3 kuch aur jaise.. Humaare ghar me aaj nayi tv aai hai / naya tv aaya hai / nayi scooter aayi hai / naya. scooter aaya hai Ummeed karta huN aap naraaz nahi honge |
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22nd January 2013, 07:28 PM
mujeeb sahab aadaab.
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yeh bhi ho saktaa hai woh ghalt^ee per hoN . Ghalib , zauq , meer Hasan , juraat or bahut saary ustaadoN ke kalaam mai choTi choTi ghalt^iyaaN paee jaatee haiN . or bar haa woh dosry ustaadoN ki tanqeed ka shikaar rahy haiN . kuch tanqeed ki bina per iSlaah ker laity thy or kuch joN ka tooN rehny daity . khud Ghalib saHb key dewaan e Ghalib ke kaee nuSKhy jaaree kiye gaey haiN markete mai app check ker sakty haiN , apnee hi kaii ghazloN ki iSlaaH khud mirza saHb ne ki . mager aik baat waZeH ker daina chahtaa hoN keh aisa Sirf shak hai meraa keh woh ghalat^ bhee ho sakty haiN or naheeN bhee ho sakty , mai unko ghalat^ cabit naheeN ker raha or naa hee mera maqSad hai . maiN ne sawal sirf isi liye kiya ke aisa unhoN ne kiyoN ker likha . or ager app is per thoRee wizaHat ker daiN ke ameer minaee saHb ghaltioN se paak thay ? wo koii ghaltee kiyoN nahi ker sakty thay ? iski kiya waja hai ? Quote:
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. huzoor apnee guftagoo mai kahieN bhee yeh baat nahieN kii mai ne ke is baat ka tazkirah chal raha hai .app zara ghaur fermaaieN to maiN ne yeh baat waZeh t^aur per kee hai ke yeh baat mai yahaN sirf is liye ker raha hoN ke , ustaad bhi ghaltee kerty thy or barhaa kerty thy . sirf aik hi naqS naheeN paaya jaata unkey kalaamoN mai balkeh mukhtalif aqsaam ke paaey jaaty haiN.Quote:
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mai aik baar phir appse ma'zrat chahoNga is gustaakhi  ki keh aik baar phir appke mukhaalif honaa peRH raha hai mujhy apnee raaey mai . qatee mat^lab appko ghalat^ kehna naheeN hai .urdu mai tamaam alfazoN ko muzakar muanic or waHid jamma decalre kiya gaya hai . ager appko urdu peRHna likhna aati hai to lughat ki aik website daita hoN beshak app us se faaidaa HaaSil ker liya karieN . mazaar muzakar hi hai baabaa ki mazaar nahi ... baabaa ka mazaar kehna hi saHeeH samjhaa jaataa hai . go aisaa naheeN keh roz maraa ki zindagee mai hum saary alfaaz / jumley ya muHvery saHeeH kehty hoN . khud hum jinko bachpan se urdu peRHaaee jaatee haiN hazarooN ghalt^iyaaN kerty haiN aik din maiN .app is baat ka yaqeen karieN ya na karieN mujhy URDU ke bahut saary alfaaz app jaisey aHbaab se saHeeH sunany ko mily to maiN chaunk jaataa ke yeh ghalat^ kiyoN keh rahy haiN . aur jab teHqeeq kerta to ghalat^ app naheeN mai hotaa tha mai appki is baat se to mutafiq hoN ke hum jaisy behter smajhty haiN waisy hee sunanaa acha lagtaa hai kiyoN keh woh bachpan se hum waisy hi sunty chaly aaye haiN . aakhir mai aik baat kerna chaoN ga jo micaalieN appne bataieN hai woh urdu ka Hisa nahieN hai gooyaa unko muzakar ya muanac ka jaama naheeN pehnaaya jaa sakta dil azaaree ke liye ma'zrat |
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22nd January 2013, 08:52 PM
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Kya aap batayenge ki aapne jo usatadon k naam liye unki kaha kaha ghaltiyan hai.... Ya shaq hai aapko .. Main aapki baat jyun ki tyun rakh raha hun.. Regards |
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22nd January 2013, 09:33 PM
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albataa e'lm rakhny waaloN ne in per teHqeeq ki hai or ustaadoN ke shai'ree mai bhi ghalt^iyoN ki nishaan dehee ki hai , kiyoN ke ajj kal jaisa keh maiN ne a'rZ kiya hai shuturgarbah peRh raha tha to abhee unki chand miCaalieN hai , app kahieN to idher wagerna app jahaN kahieN maiN likh daita hoN . mazeed mujhy jo jo Hawalaa miltaa jaaey ga mai appki pesh kerta rahoNga . |
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22nd January 2013, 09:42 PM
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shaturgurba ka kayda daag sahab se shuru hua tha... Meri jaankaari k hisaab se... So is par to ni kah sakta. Haan ek aur baat hai... Ghalib ne apni ghazal kabhi kagaz par nahi utaari Unki kayee ghazlen hai .. Jinme aadhy sher hi unke nahi hai .. Ye baat unhone apne khat mai khud kahi hai... Aapko chahiye hoga to de dunga Phir bhi mujhe lagta hai ek alag thread ispe hona chahiye jab tak yahi baat karte hain |
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22nd January 2013, 05:10 PM
Thoda sa main bhi kahna chahta hun.... Shayari ka jo bhi grammar hai.. Aur zubaan ka jo bhi hai... Follow karna hi hoga... Aur agar koe nuks agar arooz mai hai to wo nuks hai hi... Chahe ghalib main ne bhi ghalti ki ho... Akhir shayar shayri se bada to ni ho sakta.. Ab dikkat ye hai ki.. Shayyri kis zubaan mai hai kahna 100% mushkil hai.... Urdu shayri .. Hindi shayri... Ya hindustaani shayri ...
Aur ik baat ki ghazal momin in sabke zamane main shayri k kayde ya arooz poori tarah samne nahi aaya tha.. Shutrgurba... Ustaad daagki khoj hai.. Aur daag hi ki shayri ek bharpoor sanad maani jaati hai.. Ab ye to humpe depend hai hum kis tarah likhna chahte hai.. Jite ji to hum misaalen de denge Baad marne ke? |
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22nd January 2013, 05:56 PM
Mujeeb bhai..
Aapko yahaaN dekh ke behad khushi hui kam se kam isi bahaane aapke deedaar to hue ..bahut waqt hua aapko kuch shaya kiye hue .. Buzm apni jaanib aapki masrufiyyat ki talabgaar hai .. Ummeed karta huN jald humaare beech aapka naya kalaam hoga Apna khyaal rakhiye |
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22nd January 2013, 09:11 PM
aapkaa behad shukriyaa Mujeeb bhai jo islaah ko aapne sahi raah dikhaai aur bahot khoobsurtii aur behad adab ke saath aapne apni baateN hum sab ke saath share kareeN...
Filhaal jo mujhe shaq thaa "Naqaab" ka wo jyoN ka tyoN hai... magar Qalam ka shaq door karne ke liye aapka aur Zidd bhai ka bahot shukriyaa... Zidd saahab agar aap mujhe Naqaab ne muannis hone ki agar chand aur misaal pesh karenge to yaqeen maniye dil bahot aaraam se is neutral gender waali baat qubool kar legaa... Warnaa to naqaab saahab sarakte hi jaa rahaa hai.. kya kareN... Shukriyaa... |
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22nd January 2013, 09:38 PM
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haqiqat to ye hai hi ke neutral gender hai,,, jo maine sabit kiya. aur usi ke wajah se aapka 'qalam' sabit hua hai. ------------------------------------------ (uski)naqaab uThi ke Uthi rah gayi............ (uski)naqaab uTha ke dekh....................... plus ameer minai ka precedent. ab isse jyada kya kahe? regards |
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22nd January 2013, 10:00 PM
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yeh app sirf zaberdasti ka qaaida banaa rahy haiN naqaab , muzakar hi hai yeh optional gender naheeN hai . |
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22nd January 2013, 10:45 PM
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aap kah rahe hai ameer sahab galat hai...mai nahi mai to ab bhi r& d kar raha hu. aur 1-2 dino me shayad kuch saaamne laa pauu dekhte hai.mere kaaano ko galat nahi lag raha hai....aur ameer sahab mere saath hai |
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22nd January 2013, 11:30 PM
Vikas bhai Ameer Minaai saab ki hi misaal detaa hoon...
ek ghazal hai kuch yoon... us kii hasarat hai jise dil se miTaa bhii na sakuu.N Dhuu.NDhane us ko chalaa huu.N jise paa bhii na sakuu.N isi me ek sher hai... bevafaa likhate hai.n vo apanii kalam se mujh ko ye vo qismat kaa likhaa hai jo miTaa bhii na sakuu.N mere khyaal se ab kalam ke muannas hone ki daleel saaf hui hogi... aakhir usi shaayar ki misaal de di jise aap naqaab ke liye daleel-e-aala maan rahe hain.... waise kuch aur misaaleN hain... kahiye to bata deta hoon.. meri kalam pe zamaane kii gard aisii thii ke apane baare mai.n naa kuchh bhii likh sakaa yaaro Waseem Barelvi Naqaab ke muzaqqar hone ki chand aur misaaleN... "Shakeel" apane mazaaq-e-diid kii takamiil kyaa hotii idhar nazaro.n ne himmat kii udhar ruKh par naqaab aayaa Shakeel badayuni.. Dekhe baGhair haal ye hai iztiraab kaa kyaa jaane kyaa ho pardaa jo uTThe naqaab kaa Asar sahbai.... i think now this will be sufficient................ |
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22nd January 2013, 11:49 PM
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main micaal nahi grammar ki baat kar raha huN........... urdu grammar mai... Qalam kya hai? thats it.... micaal se mujhe kuch nahi lena... ye aap de rahe they............ isliye kaha ki... micaal se proove karna hai to dono baten sahi maano ya koe bhi nahi micaal... main khud dhoond saktaa hun... milti rahti hai |
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23rd January 2013, 11:35 AM
ek akhiri baat aur kahna chahta hu...
ye mud'da bahut purana hai...jab koi bhi ye pooch baithta hai ki ye muzakkar hai ya muannas........pahle bhi aise probs aa chuke hai..... problem ye hai ki unko ek hi jawaab chaiye ,jaise ki kuch muzakkar ya muannas hi hona chaiye............. optional gender ka pata nahi kyu koi info hi nahi hai un members ke paas. waise bhi shayri ke lahje me bahut kuch change ho jata hai , jise poetic licence kahte hai. |
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23rd January 2013, 12:45 PM
Mujeeb bhai ..
muaafii chaahta huN der se haazirii dene ke liye par kal shaam thumb e rozgaar meiN mubtila hona hi aapki buzm merii namauzoodgii ka sabab bana .. Aur bhai aap kyuN khaamkhaa sharminda kar rahe ..maiN to nahi maanta ki aap koi mukhaalfat kar rahe haiN..albatta ye to aapki dariya-dilii hai jo aap ke qeemtii waqt ka ek bada hissa aapke ilm ke saath hum dostoN ko mayassar hai .. Badii zaahir si baat hai ki har cheez chaahe vo bejaan hi kyuN na ho usse pukaarne ke liye ek jins makhsoos hai ..itna ilm to shayad mujhe bhi hai.. Aapka khud maan-na hai ki kuch jins aam haiN to iske maani muzakkar aur muannas pe jirah pehle se hai .. Abhi aap ne kaha ki ustaad bhi ghalti karte the kyuN ki vo insaan the .. Aakhir ye qaaide bhi to insaanoN ke banaaye hue haiN aur kya insaan ki banaii kisi cheez meiN raddo-badal ki gunjaaish nahii ??? Aapka khyaal zaroor jaan-na chaahunga iss baare meiN .. Shayad aapko yaad ho TUTI naam ka ek parinda hota hai jo ki muzakkar hai par jab se janaab meer anees ne usse apni shayrii meiN muannis ke lihaaz se istemaal kiya .. aaj poori duniya ye muhaavra misaal ke taur pe detii hai " TUTI BOLTII HAI " Hindi meiN ek kahaavat hai JAHAAN NA PAHUCHE RAVII WAHAAN PAHUCHE KAVII Yaanii ek shaayar ko kisi bhi daayre meiN nahi rehna chaahiye uss ki soch pe koi paabandii nahii hoti .. yahaaN itna sab likhne ka matlab ye hargiz nahii ki maiN kisi aur ko ghalat aur khud ko sahi thahra raha yuN ..bas kuch sawalaat haiN jinke jawaab talaash raha huN khud ko mutmain karne ke liye .. Rahi baat naqaab ki to bahut se shaayroN ne isse muannas ke taur pe istemaal kiya hai Daag dehlawii saaheb ka ye sher pesh e khidmat hai Bekaar musht e khaak uraatii phiri saba Gosha ulat diya na kisi KI naqaab ka Aur bhi jitnii chaaheiN utnii misaaleiN mil sakti haiN Baaki aap apna khyaal rakheiN Hume ijaazat deiN |
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23rd January 2013, 01:16 PM
sanad ki value : ye sawaal vikasji ne poocha tha aur mai mera reply copy paste kar raha hu....
Ab ye to humpe depend hai hum kis tarah likhna chahte hai.. Jite ji to hum misaalen de denge misaal urooz ka ek part hai. ek example deta hu india me laws codified hai. magar england jaisa desh lijiye, mere last info tak waha 60% laws codified nahi hai. precedents ke upar judgement hota hai. yani misaalo ke upar. precedent ya misaal ,jurisprudence ka aham hissa hai ,jisse rules bante hai. aap misaaalo ko rules se alag mat kijiye. misaal has the force of a rule.(ab kiski misaal ye mudda uTh'Ta hai..so sessions court ke upar hight court,uske upar supreme court.....) theek isi tarah kai shayaro ki misaal has the force of a rule and minor shayar ki nahi. waise bhi kahte hai na? parso ki galti wahi kal ka culture aur aaj ka kaanoon. Quote:
urdu aur shayri me farq hai , jaisa andaaz sahab ne kaha zabaan aur lahje ka.... aur is baat se ye derive hota hai ki lakir ke fakeer nahi ban sakte. ye baat maine hamesha kahi hai.....in fact is post ki behas ka mud'da yehi hai ek tarah se......yaha tak ki ki minai sahab par bhi doubt karke unko ruswa kar diya....is lakir ki fakiri ne. aapk jo haq ikhtiyaar karna chahte hai 'ishaaro' wala ,use hi 'poetic licence' kahte hai....aur use hamesha urdu zabaan ke usool se nahi tola ja sakta ,balki shayri ke lahje se toola jayega.( ab ye statement bhi balck and white nahi hai.bahut se grey shades hai) ------------------------------------------------- is baat ko dusri tarah se samhane ki koshish karta hu. photography ke pahle artist drawing/ painting banate the.kahi gaye to jo nazara dikha use bana diya, landscape kahte hai jise. tasveer banate the logo ki. matlab generally nature me jo dikhta tha vo banate the ya to religious motifs par kaam karte the. aam painter /artist magar landscape par hi kaam karta tha aur tasveer par. jab camera aaya to landscape ki photo khicni shuru ho gayi.....ab bechare ye artist berozgaar hone lage..jab exact landscpare ki copy/ aadmi ki photo to public ko kya zarurat artist ki in kaamo ke liye...? so dheere dheere artist vo banane lage jo camera nahi click kar sakta.aur art abstarct hota gaya. ab artist ishara kar raha hai sirf aone idea ka ,aur public ko samjhna hai. ab public ko phir art me maza aane laga aut artists ki is naye nuskhe se nikal padi... ab aate hai ghazal par. jaisa ki sabko pata , bus yu hi pata hai ki ghazal ka matlab hai ' talking to the beloved'....magar ye beloved kaun hai?.....'talking to the beloved ' ek bahut deep rooted philosophy hai ....iske jawaab se saare jawaab mil jayenge .... ye jo inflection ki baaat kar rahe hai yani ki 'ishaare; ki ....ye kaise govern hote hai.... aur yehi sabse bada difference hai 'delli school' aur 'luchnow gharane' me. magar yaar bahut type karna hoga....kabhi aur sahi. |
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23rd January 2013, 01:40 PM
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NEQAAB lafz mozaakar o mowannas donon hai daleel ke liye uthaayen feeroz al loghaat safha no 369 matboo'a daarul kitaab deo band QALAM lafz sirf aor sirf MOZAKKAR hai daleel AL MUNJID FILLOGHAH WAL E'LAAM safha no 651 feeroz al loghaat safah no 961 ..matboo'a daarul kitaab deo band qalam ki tahqeeq ye hai ki ye lafz asl me yunaani hai jo ki wahaan QALAMOOS ke naam se jana jaata hai jis ke maane wahaan BAAnS ke hain ab rahi baat ki aaya wo ALFAAZ jo ki mozakkar o mownnac dono hon un ko kab aor kahaan kis haal me istemaal karnaa hai is ka koi qaayedah nahi balki KAATIB ko izaajat hai wo jab chaahe jaisaa chaahe istemaal kare ye us ki marzi pe munhasir hai teesri baat kisi bhi shaayir ka kalaam LAFZI EYTEBAAR se LOGHAT pe hi parkha jaaye gaa kiun ki bahar kaif LOGHAT hi ME'YAAR hai haan ab agar koi saahab is baat ko saabit kar den ki QALAM mowannas w muzakkar kisi LOGHAT me likah hai tab ye baat aaye gi ki aaya kis LOGHAT ki baat zeyaadah saheeh hai yahi soorat QALAM ke saath bhi hai |
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23rd January 2013, 01:59 PM
ab koi ye bataye ki naqaab neeche sarak raha hai ya upar ki taraf sarak raha hai
waise amitab bacchan wali entry maari hai aapne masood sahab....clap clap |
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23rd January 2013, 08:30 PM
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the question to be answered is: lafz 'qalam' = masculine or feminine ? or dosto ka recored position bhi likh deta hu. shaad sahab : is discussion ke janmdata hai aur unke kalaam ki wajah se debate paida hui. clarification primarily inhe chaiye jisse ki inka kalaam muqammal samjha jaa sake. position - optional gender hai. ye inka maan'na hai proof - none provided yet. mujeeb sahab position : optional gender hai ( aisa lagta hai yehi position hai) proof - ghalib ke sher ki misaale. jaha dono tarah se istemaal hua hai vikas sahab - chief objector to shaad sahab. position - feminine (strictly) proof - none provided yet. zidd position - optional gender proof - none provided yet. masood sahab position - masculine (strictly) proof- proof from a particular dictionery. --------------------------------------------------------------- vikas sahab aap hi kyu nahi shuru karte? sari outline maine de di hai. |
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24th January 2013, 05:57 AM
aadaab zidd bhai
are saahab main ne QALAM ke baare me 2 hawaale diye hain jab ki aap ne 1 kaa hi zikr kiya hai .......................................... ghalib sb ka ek sher pesh huwa hai main mazeed tahqeeq me lag gaya hun kam az kam 5 mazeed loghaat ko dekhne ke baad hi aagey kuchh kah sakta hun sar e dast main NADEEM SIDDIQUI ( modeer adabi safahaat ROZNAMAH INQUILAAB MUMBAI frm 1986 to 2008 ... 2008 se taa haal modeer urdu times mumbai ) sb ko mail kar chuka hun likh chukaa hun un ko haale dil dekhiye un ka kiya jawaab aaye waise ye saahab kitney hi badey aalim kiun na hon agar daleel se kuchh bataayen gey tabhi aap hazraat ko pesh karun gaa warnaa doosraa option SHAAHID HENAAYI ( in ki kitab CHEHRA NUMA krachi univercty ke M.A. me parhaayi jaati hai ) sb hain |
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24th January 2013, 02:07 PM
Chaliye aapki baat rakh hi letaa hoon.............................................. .
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Bahot bahot badiyan pes kas.............janab.............
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22nd January 2013, 01:26 PM
shaad bhai aapko kyu laga ki mai jawaab nahi dunga.?
aisa kaun sa bahot katin sawaal hai? aur waise bhi ameer minai ne lafz ko muannas(feminine) istemaal kiya hai to utna hawala kafi hai bahut se noun common(neuter) gender hote hai, yehi simple answer hai ...jo muzakkar aur muannas dono ho sakte hai.regards |
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22nd January 2013, 01:36 PM
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Pataa nahi kyoN, magar jab aapne jawaab na diyaa to mujhe lagaa ke shaayad aap jawaab na denge, isliye pooch liya bhai... waise aapka jawaab sunkar tasallee hui.... ek sawaal aur khaae ja raha hai.... Lafz-e- Qalam (pen) ke baare me aapki kya raay hai.... maine ise Muannas le liya tha ek ghazal mein.... Kya ye muzakkar hai ya muannas.... yahaan ke kuch khaas members ne kuch din pehle bahot hungama kar diyaa tha is baat ko lekar... Lekin jab same thing Naqaab ke saath uthi, to sochaa shaayad aap is baat ko bakhubi samjhaa paaen... aur ho saktaa hai apne guru ki baat un members ko acche se samajh me aa jaae... main bhi bas apni confusion door karna chahta tha... Shukriyaa bahrhaal..... Shaad... |
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(shaad bhai, mai poore yakeen se kahta hu ki andaaz sahab ne aapke sawaal ko hawaii andaaz me talaa nahi hai. varna vo aate hi kyu kuch kahne . bahut serious qism ke insaan hai vo . mere khayaal se unka matlab grmmatical tha,,,ki inanimate object hai kuch,tou itni behas kyu ,jaisa theek lagta hai aur misaal hai,,,,so theek hai!!) ( urdu zabaan aur shayri ke lahje se bhi vo tecnical baat hi kar rahe the...indirectly. matlab ye ke urdu prose ke liye kuch rules ho sakte hai ,magar shayri ka apna ek lahja hai ,matlab nuance hai. shayar ko bahut jagah poetic licence hai ,liberty hai ,apni baat shayri ke hisaab se arrange karne ki ( jaise tecnically yaha bandish radeef ki thi),,,so use vo GENERALLY permissible Tahra rahe hai. ye liberty ek prose writer ko nahi hai....unki bat bhi tecnical nature ki hi hai, shaad sahab..aap gaur farmaiye) regards |
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22nd January 2013, 08:58 PM
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Aadaab ! maiN ma'zrat chahtaa hoN keh maiN ne appki is ahm tareen baat ko peRhaa hi naheeN . urdu mai aisy bahut alfaaz haiN jo optional gender haiN woh bayak waqt muzakar bhee hai aur muanic bhee. jaisa keh app ne mical dee "Qalam" ki aur isi hi tereH app hi ne miCaal dee "fikr" ki ، jee haaN yeh waaqe'ee muzakar bhi haiN or muanic bhi aik do micaalieN mai bhi day a'rZ kerna chahoNga lalach mushkil etc mager aisa nahieN ke yahaN hamieN her lafZ^ per hi ikhtiyaar hai ke apni merzi se iste'maal karieN usse , ab shai'ree mai kis Had tak iski ijaazat hai iska e'lm naheeN hai mujhy . |
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22nd January 2013, 09:14 PM
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Urdu mein qalam .. Ka gender kya hai ho sake to .. Proof k sath batayen . .. Kynki firk aur qalam dono alag taraf k lafz hai ek ko choo sakte hai ek ko nahin.. Apke pas urdu ki kafi sanad hogi .. Plz share karen |
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