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Fusoon-e-alfaaz ..... the magic of words
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Fusoon-e-alfaaz ..... the magic of words - 29th June 2014, 12:05 AM

SDC ke sabhi dostoN ko aadaab

Aaj aap ki ijaazat se ek nayee activity ka aaghaaz kar raha hooN, jis ka naam hai "fusoon-e-alfaaz", meaning the "magic of words".

Ye activity asal mein hamaare committed aur innovative moderators Shaad sahab aur Zainy sahiba ne conceive ki hai aur mujh se guzarish ki is ka aaghaaz karoon. To ise apni khushkismati samajh ke aap ke saamne ye nayee activity le kar haazir ho raha hooN.

Activity bahaut hi simple hai.

Is meiN ek lafz ya jumla diya jayega aur hum sab us par shayari karenge ... koyee sher, qit'ta ya mukhtasar si nazm kahenge, ya aur kuchh jise shayari kaha ja sake aap keh sakte haiN.

Meter ya form ki koyee bandish naheen hogi. Bas jo bhi kahein us meiN diye gale lafz ka istemaal zarooree hai.

Aur jaisa ki SDC ki sabhi activities meiN hota hai, members us par apni raay aur comments denge aur ek open conversation hoga.

Lafz dete waqt hum us ka meaning bhi denge aur saath hi kuchh aashaar ka bhi namoonaa saath meiN denge jin mein us lafz ka istemaal kiya gaya ho.

Ek lafz ek hafte tak rahega. Agle hafte phir naya lafz.

Is activity ka maqsad, mashq-e-shayari karne ke saath saath Urdu zabaan se jaan pehchaan badhaane ka bhi hai. Isliye lafz amooman aisa hoga jo ki aam bolchaal se thoda sa uncommon ho lekin jis se husn-e-shayari meiN izaafa ho sake.

Hamaara ye bilkul bhi maanna naheen hai ki shayari mahaz alfaaz ka hi khel hai, ya ke sirf mushkil lafz se hi khoobsurat shayari ho sakti hai. Qattaee naheeN. Shayari meiN simplicity aur naturalness bahaut zarooree hai.

YahaaN iraadaa bas itna hai ki agar hamari vocabulary meiN izaafa ho sake, to shayari karte waqt bayaan ke liye hamaare options badh jayenge. Shayari meiN ehsaasaat aur khayaalaat ka bayaan aur bhi khoobsurti se ho sakega. Aur mujh jaise shayari seekh rahe logon ko behr, qafiye aur radeef ki bandish meiN rehne ke liye, khayaal, maanee aur taghazzul ke saath samjhauta naheen karna padega.

Aakhir meiN, is activity ke mutalliq bas ye 3 baatein aur kehna chaahoonga ...

1. haalaaNki ye paathshaalaa section meiN hai lekin ye koyee serious class naheeN hai ... bas zauq-e-shayari ka lutf uthaane ka ek bahaana aur ek doosre se seekhne ka ek mauka

2. maiN koyee teacher ya ustaad bilkul bhi naheeN hoon ... asal mein mera urdu ka ilm bilkul bhi pukhta naheeN hai ... par mujhe is khoobsurat zabaan se beintehaa mohabbat hai aur ise gehraayee se samajhne ki behad chaah .... aur isee liye is activity is jud raha hooN

3. is activity meiN meri guzaarish hai ki sab ek doosre ka hausla badhaayeiN, galtiyoN ko sudhaareiN aur ek doosre se seekheeiN aur sikhaayeiN. jin members ka urdu zabaan ka ilm pukhta ho wo rehnumaayee karein jis se sab ko kuchh na kuchh haasil ko sake




DostoN chaliye aaghaaz karte haiN ek lafz se jo is activity ke naam ke andar hai

lafz hai ..... FUSOON

fusoon / fusooN ke meanings : magic /enchantment /spell /sorcery ... jaadoo / tilism

is lafz se kayee saare jumle bhi ban jaate haiN, e.g.

fusooN-gar : fusooN karne waala
fusooN-saaz : jis meiN fusooN ho
fusooN-zaayee : fusooN ka zaahir hona
fusooN-kaaree : fusooN karna

aur bhi kayee jumle hoNge jis ka mujhe ilm naheeN. jin members ko aur jumle pataa hoN please mention kareiN, aur agar is lafz ki aur nuances bayaan karna chaahte haiN to wo bhi kareiN.

is lafz par kuchh khoobsurat sher ...

us ka apna hi karishma hai fusooN hai yooN hai
yooN to kehne ko sabhi kehte haiN yooN hai yooN hai
-FARAAZ

ab tera hijr musalsal hai to ye bhed khula
gham-e-dil se gham-e-duniya ka fusooN kuchh kam hai
-FARAAZ

us chashm-e-fusooN-gar ka agar paaye ishaaraa
tootee ki tarah aainaa guftaar meiN aave
-GHALIB

ye kis ki chashm-e-fusooN-saaz ka karishma hai
ke toot kar bhi salaamat haiN dil ke butkhaane
NM - (part of a nazm)


FUSOON bada hi versatile lafz hai. members se darkhwast hai is lafz ko apni tarah se interpret kareiN aur apni ek original shayari meiN istemaal kareiN.

aap is ko jumle ki tarah bhi istemaal kar sakte haiN

saath saath jo members is lafz ke meanings ya usage ya nuances par khayaalaat zaahir karna chaaheiN, ya aur shoraoN ke qalaam quote karna chaaheiN wo bhi kar sakte haiN, most welcome and it will be appreciated .... par is lafz par apni original shayari kehna na bhooleiN


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29th June 2014, 01:42 AM

Achchha ek zarooree baat lafz "fusoon" ke mutalliq ... ye singular form ka word hai ... is ka plural form hai "afsoon" ya "afsooN"


Ek sher "afsooN" par...

tere ikhlaas ke afsooN tere waadoN ke tilism
toot jaate haiN to kuchh aur maza dete haiN

- NM

Aap lafz Afsoon ya AfsooN par bhi shayari keh sakte haiN


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29th June 2014, 11:07 AM

Chaliye dostoN .... aaghaaz karte haiN ..... koyee member ibtedaayee sher ya kuchh misre farmaayeiN lafz "FUSOON" par ...


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29th June 2014, 01:45 PM

Fusoon ki taqti bhi bata dijiye

221 ya 121 ya 22 ??




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29th June 2014, 02:02 PM

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Fusoon ki taqti bhi bata dijiye

221 ya 121 ya 22 ??
fusoon (n is pronounced) = 121
fusooN (N is a nasal sound attached to soo) = 12
afsoon = 221
afsooN = 22


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Zarraa saahab aadaab.... awwal to behad mubaaraakbad is ummdah kaarigaree par..
aapne behad khoobsurti ke saath is kaam ko anjaam diyaaa hai merii duaaen hain ke ye silsilaa kaamyaab ho... jitna ho sakegaa merii maujoodgee aapke saath rahegii...

aapne aagaaz ka fusoon is darjaa khaas hai ke bas dekhte hi bantaa hai... mujhe bahot khushii aur fakhr hai jo ye kaam hamne aapke jimme me saupaa mujhe ummeed hai aap is silsile ko behad aalaa muqaam tak lekar jaaenge....

bahot jald haazir houngaa lafze fusoon ke fusoon me doob jaane ko...

all the very best....

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29th June 2014, 08:46 PM

Lijiye haazir hai meri taraf se ek sher...

YeH nazreiN, yeH baateiN, sanam ki adaayeiN
YeH afsoon se ufff!.........bachay kaisay koyee


Does it make any sense?......




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Chura liya hai toone wo sab kuch, dil ke dareechoN se jaane kaise
Bata fasooN-gari ab ye teri........... mitegii lakeeroN se jaane kaise.

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Zarraa saahab aadaab.... awwal to behad mubaaraakbad is ummdah kaarigaree par..
aapne behad khoobsurti ke saath is kaam ko anjaam diyaaa hai merii duaaen hain ke ye silsilaa kaamyaab ho... jitna ho sakegaa merii maujoodgee aapke saath rahegii...

aapne aagaaz ka fusoon is darjaa khaas hai ke bas dekhte hi bantaa hai... mujhe bahot khushii aur fakhr hai jo ye kaam hamne aapke jimme me saupaa mujhe ummeed hai aap is silsile ko behad aalaa muqaam tak lekar jaaenge....

bahot jald haazir houngaa lafze fusoon ke fusoon me doob jaane ko...

all the very best....

Shaad....
Shaad sahab .... Aadaab .... Ji bahaut bahaut shukriya hausla afzai ka ... aap ke saath ki sakht zaroorat rahegi ..aur bahaut shukriya bhi ki aap ne aur zainy ji ne mujhe is laayak samjha, aur jis bazm se maine itna kuchh seekha hai us ki khidmat karne ka mauka diya ... aur saath mein khud bhi seekhne ka ek bahaana.

is seekhne sikhaane ke silsile meiN kayee masle aise aayenge jin ka mujhe ilm naheen hoga. ya phir alag alag opinions ki darkaar hogi. wahaan aap aur un sabhi SDC members, jin ko urdu ka behtareen ilm haasil hai, un ki rehnumai ki zaroorat rahegi.

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Lijiye haazir hai meri taraf se ek sher...

YeH nazreiN, yeH baateiN, sanam ki adaayeiN
YeH afnoon se ufff!.........bachay kaisay koyee


Does it make any sense?......
Bahaut bahaut shukriya Zainy ji shayari ke silsile ka aaghaaz karne ka. aur waah kya haseen aaghaaz kiya hai. it makes beautiful sense to me. kya shokhi kya naaz o ada hai sher meiN. waah !!!

lafz fasoon romantic shayari meiN badi khoobsurti se istemaal hota hai aksar

yahaan aapne sanam ke kayee pehluoN ko fusoon ka darja diya hai jis se sahayar ke bachne ki koyee ummeed nazar naheen aatee hai (I will use "shayar" as a gender neutral term in this thread, as is the custom nowadays to use gender neutral terms for describing professions, e.g. term "actor" is used for both male and female actors)

yahaaN aap ne lafz-e-fusoon ke ek khoobsurat pehloo ko numaayaa kiya hai ... wo yeh ki shayari ki duniya meiN aksar aashiq apne maashooq ke fusoon se bachne ki baat karta hai (aashiq-maashooq used in a gender neutral sense as well) lekin dil hi dil us ke fusoon ke lutf meiN giraftaar rehne ka maza bhi leta hai ye baat aapne khoobsurti se "afsoon se uff bache kaise koyee" keh ke badi hi ada se kahi hai !! Khoob !!

par lagta hai typing error se "afsooN" ki jagah "afnooN" type ho gaya hai

bas, kuchh baateiN lafz par discussion ke taur par kehna chaahooNga ... islaah ke taur par naheeN...

1. mere opinion meiN (jo galat bhi ho sakta hai), "ye" ki jagah "in" zyada munaasib ho shayad. "in asfsoon se" sounds intuitively better to me than "ye afsoon se" (behr mein wazan same rahega agar "in" ke "n" ko "afsoon" se "af" se jod dein) ... lekin shayad aapne "yeh" ki takraar se sher meiN lutf paida karne ki koshish ki hai ... to kya us haalat meiN yeh zyada munaasib rahega ? can't say ... sochne ki baat hai .... what is your opinion or the opinion of other members on this ?

2. ek aur purely subjective aur opinion based raiy ... sher meiN aapne 3 fusoon ka zikr kiya
hai sanam ke afsoon paida hote hain ... 1. adaayein 2. baateiN 3. nazreiN ... adaayeiN aur
aateiN ek activity ke jaisee haiN jis se sanam fusoon paida karta hai ye, lekin nazroN ka hona bhar hi baais-e-fusooN kaise hai ye baat pooree tarah par khulee naheeN shayad .... agar is baat ka zikr hota ki sanam nazron ka istemaal kaise karta hai fusoon paida karne ke liye, to shaayad lutf aur bhi badh sakta ...for example, nazroN ka ishaara, sharaarat, masti etc ya nazroN se mujhe dekhna wagairah wagairah

Zainy ji ...ye sirf mera nazariya bhar hi hai bas ... meree raay par aap ki raay

Baakee members se bhi darkhwaast hai ki wo bhi apni raay zaahir kareiN is post par ya aur posts par ...

Zainy ji, ek khoobsurat sher jis meiN lafz ka bhi khoobsurat istemaal kiya hai us par aap ko dheron daad !!!

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Chura liya hai toone wo sab kuch, dil ke dareechoN se jaane kaise
Bata fasooN-gari ab ye teri........... mitegii lakeeroN se jaane kaise.

एक छोटी सी कोशिश .....बहुत ही मुश्किल लफ्ज़

चुरा लिया है तूने वो सब कुछ दिल के दरीचों से जाने कैसे,
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Wah wah wah Harash Mahajan ji ... kya khoobsurat sher kaha hai aap ne ... very intricate and intriguing ... janaab fusoon par kahe is sher ka apna hi ek fusoon hai !! Bahaut khoob !!

Aap ke sher ke zariye se lafz fusoon par kuchh baat cheet ho jaaye ...

Jahaan tak maiN aap ke sher ko samajh paaya hooN ...

misra-e-oola meiN aap ne dil ke dareeche se sab kuchh chura lene ka zikr kiya hai jise misra-e-saanee meiN fusoon-gari ka darja diya hai ... wwwwaaahhhh, mujhe bahaut achcha ye interpretation

misra-e-saani meiN aap ne mitne aur lakeeron ki tarqeeb jo istemaal ki hai wo bhi mujhe bahaut khoobsurat lagi

bas do sawaal zehen meiN aaye hain, as food for thought ... seekhne ke iraade se arz kar raha hooN... agar aap khulaasa kar sakein to meherbaanee hogi, ya koyee bhi member apni raay se nawaze to inaayat ...

1. "act of doing magic" describe karne ke liye fusoon-gari ya fusoon-kaari meiN kaun sa jumla zyada munaasib rahega ?ya donon hi sahi hain ? sure naheen hooN is liye samajhna chaahta hooN.

2. fusoon ke mutalliq "mitne" ka verb kya munaasib hai ? Fusoon ko toot'te hue suna hai. Lekin kyunki ye thoda uncommon word hai is liye is ke saath kaun se verbs use hone appropriate hain, is ka mujhe ilm naheen hai. Any views ?

chaliye sahab,*aap ki badaulat is lafz ke kuchh khoobsurat pehloo saamne aaye aur kuchh curiosity aur badhi ....*

bahaut bahaut shukriya aap ka Harash ji aur khoobsurat sher par ek baar phir se daad !!

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Bahaut bahaut shukriya Zainy ji shayari ke silsile ka aaghaaz karne ka. aur waah kya haseen aaghaaz kiya hai. it makes beautiful sense to me. kya shokhi kya naaz o ada hai sher meiN. waah !!!

lafz fasoon romantic shayari meiN badi khoobsurti se istemaal hota hai aksar

yahaan aapne sanam ke kayee pehluoN ko fusoon ka darja diya hai jis se sahayar ke bachne ki koyee ummeed nazar naheen aatee hai (I will use "shayar" as a gender neutral term in this thread, as is the custom nowadays to use gender neutral terms for describing professions, e.g. term "actor" is used for both male and female actors)

yahaaN aap ne lafz-e-fusoon ke ek khoobsurat pehloo ko numaayaa kiya hai ... wo yeh ki shayari ki duniya meiN aksar aashiq apne maashooq ke fusoon se bachne ki baat karta hai (aashiq-maashooq used in a gender neutral sense as well) lekin dil hi dil us ke fusoon ke lutf meiN giraftaar rehne ka maza bhi leta hai ye baat aapne khoobsurti se "afsoon se uff bache kaise koyee" keh ke badi hi ada se kahi hai !! Khoob !!

par lagta hai typing error se "afsooN" ki jagah "afnooN" type ho gaya hai

bas, kuchh baateiN lafz par discussion ke taur par kehna chaahooNga ... islaah ke taur par naheeN...

1. mere opinion meiN (jo galat bhi ho sakta hai), "ye" ki jagah "in" zyada munaasib ho shayad. "in asfsoon se" sounds intuitively better to me than "ye afsoon se" (behr mein wazan same rahega agar "in" ke "n" ko "afsoon" se "af" se jod dein) ... lekin shayad aapne "yeh" ki takraar se sher meiN lutf paida karne ki koshish ki hai ... to kya us haalat meiN yeh zyada munaasib rahega ? can't say ... sochne ki baat hai .... what is your opinion or the opinion of other members on this ?

2. ek aur purely subjective aur opinion based raiy ... sher meiN aapne 3 fusoon ka zikr kiya
hai sanam ke afsoon paida hote hain ... 1. adaayein 2. baateiN 3. nazreiN ... adaayeiN aur
aateiN ek activity ke jaisee haiN jis se sanam fusoon paida karta hai ye, lekin nazroN ka hona bhar hi baais-e-fusooN kaise hai ye baat pooree tarah par khulee naheeN shayad .... agar is baat ka zikr hota ki sanam nazron ka istemaal kaise karta hai fusoon paida karne ke liye, to shaayad lutf aur bhi badh sakta ...for example, nazroN ka ishaara, sharaarat, masti etc ya nazroN se mujhe dekhna wagairah wagairah

Zainy ji ...ye sirf mera nazariya bhar hi hai bas ... meree raay par aap ki raay

Baakee members se bhi darkhwaast hai ki wo bhi apni raay zaahir kareiN is post par ya aur posts par ...

Zainy ji, ek khoobsurat sher jis meiN lafz ka bhi khoobsurat istemaal kiya hai us par aap ko dheron daad !!!

Dheron duaoN ke saath ... Zarraa
zarra sahab...

Ek adna se sher ko aapne itni ahmiyat de di...meri samajh me nahi aa raha kin alfaaz me aapka shukriyah ada karun..

1) Typing mistake maine theek kar di hai....

2)Regarding "yeh" and "in" ..actually maine 122 122 122 122 behr use ki hai...kya "in"..is behr me fit hoga?...not sure????

3)..regarding nazreiN. ..well behr ki majboori thi ..warna kuch na kuch zarur add karti .....(waise nazreiN lafz khud fusoon ka pitara hai.aur kuch likhne ki zaroorat hi mehsoos nahi huyi.........)

chaliye khair...yeh bataiye afsoon lafz sahi istemaal hua ya nahi is sher me....?




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Wah wah wah Harash Mahajan ji ... kya khoobsurat sher kaha hai aap ne ... very intricate and intriguing ... janaab fusoon par kahe is sher ka apna hi ek fusoon hai !! Bahaut khoob !!

Aap ke sher ke zariye se lafz fusoon par kuchh baat cheet ho jaaye ...

Jahaan tak maiN aap ke sher ko samajh paaya hooN ...

misra-e-oola meiN aap ne dil ke dareeche se sab kuchh chura lene ka zikr kiya hai jise misra-e-saanee meiN fusoon-gari ka darja diya hai ... wwwwaaahhhh, mujhe bahaut achcha ye interpretation

misra-e-saani meiN aap ne mitne aur lakeeron ki tarqeeb jo istemaal ki hai wo bhi mujhe bahaut khoobsurat lagi

bas do sawaal zehen meiN aaye hain, as food for thought ... seekhne ke iraade se arz kar raha hooN... agar aap khulaasa kar sakein to meherbaanee hogi, ya koyee bhi member apni raay se nawaze to inaayat ...

1. "act of doing magic" describe karne ke liye fusoon-gari ya fusoon-kaari meiN kaun sa jumla zyada munaasib rahega ?ya donon hi sahi hain ? sure naheen hooN is liye samajhna chaahta hooN.

2. fusoon ke mutalliq "mitne" ka verb kya munaasib hai ? Fusoon ko toot'te hue suna hai. Lekin kyunki ye thoda uncommon word hai is liye is ke saath kaun se verbs use hone appropriate hain, is ka mujhe ilm naheen hai. Any views ?

chaliye sahab,*aap ki badaulat is lafz ke kuchh khoobsurat pehloo saamne aaye aur kuchh curiosity aur badhi ....*

bahaut bahaut shukriya aap ka Harash ji aur khoobsurat sher par ek baar phir se daad !!

duaon ke saath

Zarraa
zarraa ji aapki muhabbatoN ke liye tah-e-dil se mashkoor-o-mamnoon hooN....KhayaaloN ko bulandi dena aap khoob jaante haiN ....khaaksaar kii ek adnaa sii peshkash par aapki pasandagi mere khyaaloN ko roushan kar gayii jiske liye maiN beintaha aabhaari hooN....
Zarra sahab jahaN tak Urdu ke ilm ka sawaal hai maiN shayad yahaaN sabse kamtar hi huN.......sirf kaanoN par padne waale shabdoN ke siwa shayad hi kabhi ajnabhi shabd istemaal kiye hoN.....our aise shabd jinke liye readers ko dictionary ka istemaal karna pade....abhi tak bahut kam kiya hai....ab aap jaise shou'ra ke zariye sach meiN urdu ke shabdoN ka istemaal shayd kuchh baRh jaaye.....
naye likhne walo ki fehrist meiN hamara naam zaroor likh leejiyega....jinke lie ye baat bahut aham hai ki ham koshish toh karen ye hamari khushnaseebi hai ki group me aap jaise (wo log jinhone ye thread shuru kiya) mashoor-o-maroof shayar hamare sath hain so hameiN agar qata'at aur muktakon ya rubai ki koi bhi baareeki sikhni hai ya koi mashwara lena hai to ham yahaaN salah le sakte hain.

Zarra sahab......ye lafz "fasooN-gari" is liye kiya kyuN ki ismeiN inner act or art(ilm) hai .jaise jadu-gari, kaari-gari, ...physical art nahiN... other words jo physical act se hote haiN unmeiN "kaari" lafz istemaal hota hai jaise adaa-kaari, meena-kaari etc..., but actual meiN kya hai aap Urdu-daan log ziyaada achhe tareeke se bataa sakte haiN....Maie to ye lafzi istemaal ke tareeke se hi isey istemaal kiya hai.....
Is lafz ke mutallaq maiN pahli dafa hi jaan paa raha huN.... 100% mere ilm meiN izafa hone wala hai....

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1. mere opinion meiN (jo galat bhi ho sakta hai), "ye" ki jagah "in" zyada munaasib ho shayad. "in asfsoon se" sounds intuitively better to me than "ye afsoon se" (behr mein wazan same rahega agar "in" ke "n" ko "afsoon" se "af" se jod dein) ... lekin shayad aapne "yeh" ki takraar se sher meiN lutf paida karne ki koshish ki hai ... to kya us haalat meiN yeh zyada munaasib rahega ? can't say ... sochne ki baat hai .... what is your opinion or the opinion of other members on this ?
aapki is bat se maain poori tarah sahmat hoon Zarraa saahab... behad khoobsurtii se aapne us lafz ke sath insaaf kiya hai... aur Zainy ji aapke is khoobsiurat sher ke lioye meri taraf see laakhon daad....

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Ek adna se sher ko aapne itni ahmiyat de di...meri samajh me nahi aa raha kin alfaaz me aapka shukriyah ada karun..

1) Typing mistake maine theek kar di hai....

2)Regarding "yeh" and "in" ..actually maine 122 122 122 122 behr use ki hai...kya "in"..is behr me fit hoga?...not sure????

3)..regarding nazreiN. ..well behr ki majboori thi ..warna kuch na kuch zarur add karti .....(waise nazreiN lafz khud fusoon ka pitara hai.aur kuch likhne ki zaroorat hi mehsoos nahi huyi.........)

chaliye khair...yeh bataiye afsoon lafz sahi istemaal hua ya nahi is sher me....?


Zarraa saahab aur zainy saahiba, subha bakhair....

aap dono ki guftagoo padh kkar bahot hi acchaa lagaa, aur ye dekh kar aur bhii khushi huii ke seekhne sikhaane ka ye silsilaa chaal padaa hai apne mukaam ki taraf.....

main nishaandehii to nahi karnaa chahtaa magar mera ek choTaaa saa sawaal hai... aap dono se aur baaki ke padhne waalon se ke...

kyaa Lafz "NazreN" valid hai ???

Nazar se nazaare ho saktaa hai , Nigah se nigaaheN bhi ho saktaa hai magar kyaa Nazar ka plural NazreN ho saktaa hai.... i am bit confused..

agar aap isme koi lughaat ya misaal pesh karenge to meri kamilmii me izaafaa hoga....

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Ek adna se sher ko aapne itni ahmiyat de di...meri samajh me nahi aa raha kin alfaaz me aapka shukriyah ada karun..

1) Typing mistake maine theek kar di hai....

2)Regarding "yeh" and "in" ..actually maine 122 122 122 122 behr use ki hai...kya "in"..is behr me fit hoga?...not sure????

3)..regarding nazreiN. ..well behr ki majboori thi ..warna kuch na kuch zarur add karti .....(waise nazreiN lafz khud fusoon ka pitara hai.aur kuch likhne ki zaroorat hi mehsoos nahi huyi.........)

chaliye khair...yeh bataiye afsoon lafz sahi istemaal hua ya nahi is sher me....?
Zainy ji, apne kisi bhi sher ko adna mat samajhiye, aur is ko to bilkul bhi naheen . Lafz Afsoon ka istemaal bilkul theek kiya hai aapne.

In bhi behr mein baithega. Agar koyee word consonant pe end kare aur agla word vowel se shuru ho, to sounds ko combine kiya ja sakta hai aur taqti spoken sound ke hisaab se hogi. To metrically yahan word banega "inafsoon" jiski taqti hogi 1221 jo aap ke selected behr ke mutabik hoga.


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Zarraa saahab aur zainy saahiba, subha bakhair....

aap dono ki guftagoo padh kkar bahot hi acchaa lagaa, aur ye dekh kar aur bhii khushi huii ke seekhne sikhaane ka ye silsilaa chaal padaa hai apne mukaam ki taraf.....

main nishaandehii to nahi karnaa chahtaa magar mera ek choTaaa saa sawaal hai... aap dono se aur baaki ke padhne waalon se ke...

kyaa Lafz "NazreN" valid hai ???

Nazar se nazaare ho saktaa hai , Nigah se nigaaheN bhi ho saktaa hai magar kyaa Nazar ka plural NazreN ho saktaa hai.... i am bit confused..

agar aap isme koi lughaat ya misaal pesh karenge to meri kamilmii me izaafaa hoga....

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Shaad sahab adaab.....Agar maiN aapka prashn samjha hooN to yahi kahuNga.....ki "NAzreiN " lafz...Nazar se hi hua..iska plural NazreiNki tarah hi iste-maal hota dekha gaya hai....bahut se GeetoN meiN our GazloN meiN bhi....ye lafz isi tarah iste-maal hote dekha gaya hai...jaise


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Zarra sahab jahaN tak Urdu ke ilm ka sawaal hai maiN shayad yahaaN sabse kamtar hi huN.......sirf kaanoN par padne waale shabdoN ke siwa shayad hi kabhi ajnabhi shabd istemaal kiye hoN.....our aise shabd jinke liye readers ko dictionary ka istemaal karna pade....abhi tak bahut kam kiya hai....ab aap jaise shou'ra ke zariye sach meiN urdu ke shabdoN ka istemaal shayd kuchh baRh jaaye.....
naye likhne walo ki fehrist meiN hamara naam zaroor likh leejiyega....jinke lie ye baat bahut aham hai ki ham koshish toh karen ye hamari khushnaseebi hai ki group me aap jaise (wo log jinhone ye thread shuru kiya) mashoor-o-maroof shayar hamare sath hain so hameiN agar qata'at aur muktakon ya rubai ki koi bhi baareeki sikhni hai ya koi mashwara lena hai to ham yahaaN salah le sakte hain.

Zarra sahab......ye lafz "fasooN-gari" is liye kiya kyuN ki ismeiN inner act or art(ilm) hai .jaise jadu-gari, kaari-gari, ...physical art nahiN... other words jo physical act se hote haiN unmeiN "kaari" lafz istemaal hota hai jaise adaa-kaari, meena-kaari etc..., but actual meiN kya hai aap Urdu-daan log ziyaada achhe tareeke se bataa sakte haiN....Maie to ye lafzi istemaal ke tareeke se hi isey istemaal kiya hai.....
Is lafz ke mutallaq maiN pahli dafa hi jaan paa raha huN.... 100% mere ilm meiN izafa hone wala hai....

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Aap ka inner act aur physical act ka point to BRILLIANT hai !! waah sahab kya nukta pesh kiya hai !! mujhe aap ki baat se ittefaaq ho raha hai. is hisaab se fusoon gari hi sahi hai. Chaliye ek badhiya nukte par sekhne ko mila mujhe. Thank you sir !!

PS : waise main bhi koyee Urdu daan naheen. Bas Idhar udhar se jod tod kar ke kaam chala raha hoon isiliye seekhne ki itni bhookh hai mujh mein !


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zarraa ji aapki muhabbatoN ke liye tah-e-dil se mashkoor-o-mamnoon hooN....KhayaaloN ko bulandi dena aap khoob jaante haiN ....khaaksaar kii ek adnaa sii peshkash par aapki pasandagi mere khyaaloN ko roushan kar gayii jiske liye maiN beintaha aabhaari hooN....
Zarra sahab jahaN tak Urdu ke ilm ka sawaal hai maiN shayad yahaaN sabse kamtar hi huN.......sirf kaanoN par padne waale shabdoN ke siwa shayad hi kabhi ajnabhi shabd istemaal kiye hoN.....our aise shabd jinke liye readers ko dictionary ka istemaal karna pade....abhi tak bahut kam kiya hai....ab aap jaise shou'ra ke zariye sach meiN urdu ke shabdoN ka istemaal shayd kuchh baRh jaaye.....
naye likhne walo ki fehrist meiN hamara naam zaroor likh leejiyega....jinke lie ye baat bahut aham hai ki ham koshish toh karen ye hamari khushnaseebi hai ki group me aap jaise (wo log jinhone ye thread shuru kiya) mashoor-o-maroof shayar hamare sath hain so hameiN agar qata'at aur muktakon ya rubai ki koi bhi baareeki sikhni hai ya koi mashwara lena hai to ham yahaaN salah le sakte hain.

Zarra sahab......ye lafz "fasooN-gari" is liye kiya kyuN ki ismeiN inner act or art(ilm) hai .jaise jadu-gari, kaari-gari, ...physical art nahiN... other words jo physical act se hote haiN unmeiN "kaari" lafz istemaal hota hai jaise adaa-kaari, meena-kaari etc..., but actual meiN kya hai aap Urdu-daan log ziyaada achhe tareeke se bataa sakte haiN....Maie to ye lafzi istemaal ke tareeke se hi isey istemaal kiya hai.....
Is lafz ke mutallaq maiN pahli dafa hi jaan paa raha huN.... 100% mere ilm meiN izafa hone wala hai....

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Muaafi talab janaab ...lekin aapke is is inner art aur physical act wali baat se main itefaaq nahi rakhta.......aap rafugar aur saudagar jaise alfaaz par kyaa kahenge.....rafu karna ya sauda karna koi androondi hunar nahi hai......dar asl is tarah ka koi tayshuda usool nahi hai ki kahaa'n par > gar < lagega aur kahaa'n par > kaar< ...ham Jo alfaaz bol rahe hai unka ijaad saikado saal pahle ho gayaa thaa...aur WO zabaan Ka hissa ban gaye hai...hame in alfaaz ko usii shakl me'n istemaal karna chaahiye jaise WO maqbool hai........
   
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Lijiye iska modified form

YeH nazreiN, yeH baateiN, sanam ki adaayeiN
In afsoon se ufff!.........bachay kaisay koyee

@ shaad sahab...jahaan tak mera andaza hai nazreiN word hai..jaise ki harsh ji ne kaha hai....maine bhi gaano me suna hai...

Nazar ka plural form hai..nazreiN




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aapki is bat se maain poori tarah sahmat hoon Zarraa saahab... behad khoobsurtii se aapne us lafz ke sath insaaf kiya hai... aur Zainy ji aapke is khoobsiurat sher ke lioye meri taraf see laakhon daad....

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Zarraa saahab aur zainy saahiba, subha bakhair....

aap dono ki guftagoo padh kkar bahot hi acchaa lagaa, aur ye dekh kar aur bhii khushi huii ke seekhne sikhaane ka ye silsilaa chaal padaa hai apne mukaam ki taraf.....

main nishaandehii to nahi karnaa chahtaa magar mera ek choTaaa saa sawaal hai... aap dono se aur baaki ke padhne waalon se ke...

kyaa Lafz "NazreN" valid hai ???

Nazar se nazaare ho saktaa hai , Nigah se nigaaheN bhi ho saktaa hai magar kyaa Nazar ka plural NazreN ho saktaa hai.... i am bit confused..

agar aap isme koi lughaat ya misaal pesh karenge to meri kamilmii me izaafaa hoga....

shukriyaa

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Lafz "nazreiN" par jo ek sher yaad aaya, wo mashhoor o aala shayar Janaab makhdoom mohiuddin sahab ka hai jo ek film ke gaane ki shakl mein bhi aaya hai ...

nazreiN milti haiN jaam milte haiN
mil rahi hai hayaat phooloN ki

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Ahle-bazm ko nacheez Ka aadaab........kuch kahane se qalb bahadur shah zafar sahib Ka ek sher pesh e khidmat hai........

koi afsooN mera gar un par chale
Khud ba khud aaye WO mere ghar chale


Is sher me'n zafar jaise saahib e ilm ne afsooN ko waahid liya hai......is par aap ehbaab kii raayshumaari Ka talabgaar hu
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Waah kya khoob sher share kiya hai

Ab aap ke khoobsurat sher ka bhi intezaar rahega


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Welcome Ufaq sahab

Waah kya khoob sher share kiya hai

Ab aap ke khoobsurat sher ka bhi intezaar rahega
Sahib aapne shaayad meri baat thiik se nahi suni .....Maine daryaft kiya hai ki zafar sahab ne apne sher me'n afsooN ko waahid Yaani ki singular liya hai....jabki afsooN jama'a yaani ki plural hai.......is mutaaliq aap apni beshqiimti aara se nawaaze.......
   
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Muaafi talab janaab ...lekin aapke is is inner art aur physical act wali baat se main itefaaq nahi rakhta.......aap rafugar aur saudagar jaise alfaaz par kyaa kahenge.....rafu karna ya sauda karna koi androondi hunar nahi hai......dar asl is tarah ka koi tayshuda usool nahi hai ki kahaa'n par > gar < lagega aur kahaa'n par > kaar< ...ham Jo alfaaz bol rahe hai unka ijaad saikado saal pahle ho gayaa thaa...aur WO zabaan Ka hissa ban gaye hai...hame in alfaaz ko usii shakl me'n istemaal karna chaahiye jaise WO maqbool hai........
Waah Ufaq sahab. Aapne ek alag nazariya pesh kar ke guftagoo ko aur bhi dilchasp bana diya hai aur seekhne ka daayra aur bhi badha diya hai. Waise aap ki logic bhi solid hai. Shukriya janaab.

To agar aap ki theory ke lens se dekhein, i.e ki lafz ke istemaal ka chalan pehle se hi mukarrar hai, to aap ke hisaab se Harash sahab ke is khoobsurat sher mein fusoon ke mutalliq kaun sa jumla sab se zyada munaasib rahega.

Harash sahab, main sirf seekhne ke lihaaz se aap ke umdah sher ko seekhne ka zariya bana raha hoon. Hope you don't mind.


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Sahib aapne shaayad meri baat thiik se nahi suni .....Maine daryaft kiya hai ki zafar sahab ne apne sher me'n afsooN ko waahid Yaani ki singular liya hai....jabki afsooN jama'a yaani ki plural hai.......is mutaaliq aap apni beshqiimti aara se nawaaze.......
Ohhho ... sorry Ufaq sahab ... ye baat waaqayee miss ho gayee. muaafi ka talabgaar hoon.

Ye bada hi pecheeda magar aham mudda hai. Is par main bhi seekhna chaahoonga kyunki sure naheen hoon. Agar aap ki koyee theory ho is par to meherbani kar ke farmaayein. Ya koyee Urdu ka pukhtah ilm rakhne waale members rehnumaayee karein is masle par.

Sach poochhiye to main sirf guess work kar sakta hoon yahaan. Ek hypothesis hai meri. Ye link dekhein. Is mein ghalib ne bhi afsoon ko singular lagne waale roop mein istemaal kiya hai. Yahaan ka interpretation hai "incantations for invoking magic" jo ki inherently plural hote hue apne aap mein ek unit hai is liye singular form mein hai. Lagta hai zafar ke sher mein bhi kuchh aisa hi istemaal hua ho shaayad.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/p...29/229_03.html


Par jaisa maine arz kiya...ye sirf meri guess hai ...galat bhi ho sakti hai ... aap ya koyee member is par roshni daal sakein to meherbaanee hogi.


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afsuun and fasuun are both singular(wahid)

it is like 'afsanaa' and 'fasanaa'( all persian derived.)
   
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Ok...to phir plural ke liye kya word hai?




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afsuun and fasuun are both singular(wahid)

it is like 'afsanaa' and 'fasanaa'( all persian derived.)
Shukriya Zidd sahab clarify karne ke liye

Agar in 2 sawaalon par bhi raay se sakein to meherbaanee hogi ...

1. jaisa zainy ji ne poochha hai, in ke plural form ke liye lafz mein change hota hai ya ye lafz same hi rehte hain plural mein bhi ?

2. are there any differences in meaning or nuances between fusoon and afsoon or can they be used interchangeably ?

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Muaafi talab janaab ...lekin aapke is is inner art aur physical act wali baat se main itefaaq nahi rakhta.......aap rafugar aur saudagar jaise alfaaz par kyaa kahenge.....rafu karna ya sauda karna koi androondi hunar nahi hai......dar asl is tarah ka koi tayshuda usool nahi hai ki kahaa'n par > gar < lagega aur kahaa'n par > kaar< ...ham Jo alfaaz bol rahe hai unka ijaad saikado saal pahle ho gayaa thaa...aur WO zabaan Ka hissa ban gaye hai...hame in alfaaz ko usii shakl me'n istemaal karna chaahiye jaise WO maqbool hai........
Ufaq sahab waah kya baat hai......bahut hi oomda jaankaari se nawaza hai aapne is lafz ke mutallaq...ye lafz hamaare liye shayri meiN istemaal karne ke liye ek damm naya hai.....iske istemaali lafz kya kya hone chahiyeN .... iske liye aap jaise Urdu-daanoN ki sakht zaroorat hoti hai.....hameiN umeed hi nahi yaqeen hai ki aapki inayat hamaare jaise taalib e ilm shaks par yuN hi bani rahegii....Aapke diye tapsire se is mutallaq hamaaraa jhukaav our bhi baRh gaya hai.....Kitni baareekii our kitnii Gehraayee our abhi baakii hai.....

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Ya koyee Urdu ka pukhtah ilm rakhne waale members rehnumaayee karein is masle par.
soryy zarra sahab , maine ye nahi dekha tha...
ab mai ye claim nahi kar sakta , isliye ye reply de raha hu.
aur waise bhi maine reply complete nahi kiya tha aur preview ke badle submit click kar diya( clumsy finger disease) , uske baad SDC open nahi huii and i forgot .

so what i have said is true to my knowledge and research, and also my assesment....but ofcourse ,its on review by the expert.

baqi sawaal par mere opinion mai jald deta hu...just a contribution...

magar mai ye zarur kahugna ki , mera ye maan'na hai k2 - koi do same meaning wale lafz interchangeable nahi ho sakte , bina koi apna indvidual nuance khoyee., kuch na kuch meaning to suffer zarur hoga...kya suffer hoga, ye bhi personal interpretation par hai.
   
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Zidd sahib ki is baat se itefaaq rakhta hu...ki afsoon aur fusoon dono waahid hai....jaisaa ki ustaad suhraa Ke ashaar se saabit hota hai..lekin ghaurtalab ye hai afsaana se alif hataa De to milta hai fasaana .....isii tarah agar se alif hataa De to milta hai gar.....yaani alif hataane se bache lafz Ke baaqi hisse ki shakl me koi badlaaw nahi hota....lekin afsoon aur fusoon Ke muaamle me ye baat laagu nahi hai...jahaa alif hataane se fusoon milta hai......kyaa ye nukta koi ahmiyat rakhta hai??????

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Zidd sahib ki is baat se itefaaq rakhta hu...ki afsoon aur fusoon dono waahid hai....jaisaa ki ustaad suhraa Ke ashaar se saabit hota hai..lekin ghaurtalab ye hai afsaana se alif hataa De to milta hai fasaana .....isii tarah agar se alif hataa De to milta hai gar.....yaani alif hataane se bache lafz Ke baaqi hisse ki shakl me koi badlaaw nahi hota....lekin afsoon aur fusoon Ke muaamle me ye baat laagu nahi hai...jahaa alif hataane se fusoon milta hai......kyaa ye nukta koi ahmiyat rakhta hai??????
mujhe nahi lagta ...magar agee badte hai...dekhte hai kaha pahuchte hai.


ek aur pahle jaisa similar exaple deta hu...haa, mahaz alif hatane wali aapki baat alag..ye namuna uspar nishandehi, ya usse wabasta nahi....just for info...aapke alif hatane wali baat ka ye namuna nahi hai..kyuki yaha vo case nahi...pahle wala case hai.
.halanki dono ke nuance me farq hai...magar ek se hai dono...again both are persian derived...but i am guarded and say' maybe'

in literature one can never be very very sure...


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more examples are required ...koshish kijiye ..kuch aur namune mile...
lets seee, where we arrive at.

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soryy zarra sahab , maine ye nahi dekha tha...
ab mai ye claim nahi kar sakta , isliye ye reply de raha hu.
aur waise bhi maine reply complete nahi kiya tha aur preview ke badle submit click kar diya( clumsy finger disease) , uske baad SDC open nahi huii and i forgot .

so what i have said is true to my knowledge and research, and also my assesment....but ofcourse ,its on review by the expert.

baqi sawaal par mere opinion mai jald deta hu...just a contribution...

magar mai ye zarur kahugna ki , mera ye maan'na hai k2 - koi do same meaning wale lafz interchangeable nahi ho sakte , bina koi apna indvidual nuance khoyee., kuch na kuch meaning to suffer zarur hoga...kya suffer hoga, ye bhi personal interpretation par hai.
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mujhe nahi lagta ...magar agee badte hai...dekhte hai kaha pahuchte hai.


ek aur pahle jaisa similar exaple deta hu...haa, mahaz alif hatane wali aapki baat alag..ye namuna uspar nishandehi, ya usse wabasta nahi....just for info...aapke alif hatane wali baat ka ye namuna nahi hai..kyuki yaha vo case nahi...pahle wala case hai.
.halanki dono ke nuance me farq hai...magar ek se hai dono...again both are persian derived...but i am guarded and say' maybe'

in literature one can never be very very sure...


afsurda---fasurda...

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u may have a point, u may not have a point...

more examples are required ...koshish kijiye ..kuch aur namune mile...
lets seee, where we arrive at.
Ek aur missal agarche aur garche ki hai......lekin mera andaaza yahi hai ki fusoon aur afsoon dono waahid hai aur zaroorat padne par inhe jama'a bhi istemaal kar sakte hai.....just like jaadu......fusoon aur afsoon hame bahr Ke mutaabiq chune jaane ki chhuut dete hai......Bas ustaad shaayro Ka koi sher mil jaye jahaa'n fusoon / afsoon ko jama'a liye gaya ho.
   
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