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I am inviting masood bhayee here ..........

kuch urdu aur spiritual bateN jo quraan shareef aur muslim bhaiyoN se related hoti hai unke bare main jaane aur samjhne ki koshish kare ghalib sahab ko ...

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ye na thee hamaari qismat

ye na thii hamaarii qismat ke visaal-e-yaar hotaa
agar aur jiite rahate yahii intazaar hotaa

tere vaade par jiye ham to ye jaan jhuuTh jaanaa
ke Khushii se mar na jaate agar aitabaar hotaa

terii naazukii se jaanaa ki ba.Ndhaa thaa ahd_bodaa
kabhii tuu na to.D sakataa agar ustavaar hotaa

koii mere dil se puuchhe tere tiir-e-niimakash ko
ye Khalish kahaa.N se hotii jo jigar ke paar hotaa

ye kahaa.N kii dostii hai ke bane hai.n dost naaseh
koii chaaraasaaz hotaa, koii Gam_gusaar hotaa

rag-e-sang se Tapakataa wo lahuu ki phir na thamataa
jise Gam samajh rahe ho ye agar sharaar hotaa

Gam agarche jaa.N_gusil hai, pe kahaa.N bache.n ke dil hai
Gam-e-ishq gar na hotaa, Gam-e-rozagaar hotaa

kahuu.N kis se mai.n ke kyaa hai, shab-e-Gam burii balaa hai
mujhe kyaa buraa thaa maranaa agar ek baar hotaa

hue mar ke ham jo rusavaa, hue kyo.N na Garq-e-dariyaa
na kabhii janaazaa uThataa, na kahii.n mazaar hotaa

use kaun dekh sakataa ki yaganaa hai wo yaktaa
jo duii kii buu bhii hotii to kahii.n do chaar hotaa

ye masaail-e-tasavvuf, ye teraa bayaan 'Ghalib'
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shukriya ikaas bhai aap ki izzat afzaayi ka ...............
do baaten saamne aayi hain pahli ki SHER KA MATLAB
doosri SA'EE
jaldi me hun is liye sirf SA'EE pe kalaam karta hun inshallaha kal sher pe aaun ga

SA'EE lafz ke wahi maane hain jis ka izhaar AFAAQ bhai ne kiy hai
haan samajhn eki baat ye hai ki har lafz ke do maane hotey hain
no 1 .. loghvi yaani jo dic.. me us ka tarjuma ho
no 2... istelaahi yaani us lafz ko kisi khaas MAFHOOM ke liye khaas kar liya gaya ho
jaise

INTEQAAL loghvi mane .. doosree jagah chale jaana ...istelaahi maane .. maot aa jana
isi tarah se lafz SA'EE hai
jis ke loghvi meane KOSHISH ki hi hain
magar MUSALMAANON ke yahaan ye lafz SAFA MARWAH pahaadi ke darmeyaan chalne ka naam hai
mirza saahab ne yahaan LOGHVI maana hu muraad liya hai
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ye na thii hamaarii qismat ke visaal-e-yaar hotaa
agar aur jiite rahate yahii intazaar hotaa

tere vaade par jiye ham to ye jaan jhuuTh jaanaa
ke Khushii se mar na jaate agar aitabaar hotaa

terii naazukii se jaanaa ki ba.Ndhaa thaa ahd_bodaa
kabhii tuu na to.D sakataa agar ustavaar hotaa

koii mere dil se puuchhe tere tiir-e-niimakash ko
ye Khalish kahaa.N se hotii jo jigar ke paar hotaa

ye kahaa.N kii dostii hai ke bane hai.n dost naaseh
koii chaaraasaaz hotaa, koii Gam_gusaar hotaa

rag-e-sang se Tapakataa wo lahuu ki phir na thamataa
jise Gam samajh rahe ho ye agar sharaar hotaa

Gam agarche jaa.N_gusil hai, pe kahaa.N bache.n ke dil hai
Gam-e-ishq gar na hotaa, Gam-e-rozagaar hotaa

kahuu.N kis se mai.n ke kyaa hai, shab-e-Gam burii balaa hai
mujhe kyaa buraa thaa maranaa agar ek baar hotaa

hue mar ke ham jo rusavaa, hue kyo.N na Garq-e-dariyaa
na kabhii janaazaa uThataa, na kahii.n mazaar hotaa

use kaun dekh sakataa ki yaganaa hai wo yaktaa
jo duii kii buu bhii hotii to kahii.n do chaar hotaa

ye masaail-e-tasavvuf, ye teraa bayaan 'Ghalib'
tujhe ham walii samajhate, jo na baadaa_Khvaar hotaa
bhayee bas ek ek matlaa to saaf ni hua abhi to.. aur bomb na fod.....
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aadaab
shukriya ikaas bhai aap ki izzat afzaayi ka ...............
do baaten saamne aayi hain pahli ki SHER KA MATLAB
doosri SA'EE
jaldi me hun is liye sirf SA'EE pe kalaam karta hun inshallaha kal sher pe aaun ga

SA'EE lafz ke wahi maane hain jis ka izhaar AFAAQ bhai ne kiy hai
haan samajhn eki baat ye hai ki har lafz ke do maane hotey hain
no 1 .. loghvi yaani jo dic.. me us ka tarjuma ho
no 2... istelaahi yaani us lafz ko kisi khaas MAFHOOM ke liye khaas kar liya gaya ho
jaise

INTEQAAL loghvi mane .. doosree jagah chale jaana ...istelaahi maane .. maot aa jana
isi tarah se lafz SA'EE hai
jis ke loghvi meane KOSHISH ki hi hain
magar MUSALMAANON ke yahaan ye lafz SAFA MARWAH pahaadi ke darmeyaan chalne ka naam hai
mirza saahab ne yahaan LOGHVI maana hu muraad liya hai
khush rahiye
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khushaamdeed janaab......dili khishi huyi aapko yahaan paakar........ummeed hai ki khaaksaar ki bazm men aapki haaziri darj hoti rahegi............
   
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dard minnat kashe davaa na huya

dard minnat_kashe-davaa na huaa
mai.n na achchaa huaa, buraa na huaa

jamaa karate ho kyo.n raqiibo.n ko
ik tamaashaa huaa gilaa na huaa

ham kahaa.N qismat aazamaane jaaye.n
tuu hii jab Kha.njar aazamaa na huaa

kitane shiirii.n hai.n tere lab ke raqiib
gaaliyaa.N khaake bemazaa na huaa

hai Khabar garm unake aane kii
aaj hii ghar me.n boriyaa na huaa

kyaa vo namaruud kii Khudaaii thii
ba.ndagii me.n meraa bhalaa na huaa

jaan dii, dii huii usii kii thii
haq to yuu.N hai ke haq adaa na huaa

zaKhm gar dab gayaa lahuu na thamaa
kaam gar ruk gaya ravaa na huaa

rahazanii hai ki dil_sitaanee hai
leke dil, dil_sitaa.N ravaa na huaa

kuchch to pa.Dhiye ki log kahate hai.n
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sahi mane me yahan sahi tarah se kuch samjhne aur sikhne mila... thnx a lot uff ak ji and janumanu ji..... ye discussion wakai me intersting hai... mere jaise log jinhe shayri ki ABCD bhi nahin pata na samjh payenge unko bhi end tak baandh rakha... i salute to u both....
par ek mushkil hai
urdu nahin aati sply itni hard wali... iske pronounciation hi nahin aate..... aur uspe bahr ki 2122 karte karte guum ho gai mai usme hi...... iska koi solution ho to aur easy ho jaye actule bhr samjhna....
   
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sahi mane me yahan sahi tarah se kuch samjhne aur sikhne mila... thnx a lot uff ak ji and janumanu ji..... ye discussion wakai me intersting hai... mere jaise log jinhe shayri ki ABCD bhi nahin pata na samjh payenge unko bhi end tak baandh rakha... i salute to u both....
par ek mushkil hai
urdu nahin aati sply itni hard wali... iske pronounciation hi nahin aate..... aur uspe bahr ki 2122 karte karte guum ho gai mai usme hi...... iska koi solution ho to aur easy ho jaye actule bhr samjhna....
@ahna@ ji bahut-2 khushi ki baat hai ki aap jaise newcomers bhi yahaan aakar ghalib ki shayri par sanjeeda guftagoo ko padh rahe hai aur samajhne ki koshish kar rahe hai.........hamaari yahi soch hai ki naye log aakar shaayri ko shikhe....aapko jo bhi problem hai aap bejhijhak khulkar poochhiye.......aapki poori -2 help ki jaayegi...............keep learning...stay happy
   
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sahi mane me yahan sahi tarah se kuch samjhne aur sikhne mila... thnx a lot uff ak ji and janumanu ji..... ye discussion wakai me intersting hai... mere jaise log jinhe shayri ki ABCD bhi nahin pata na samjh payenge unko bhi end tak baandh rakha... i salute to u both....
par ek mushkil hai
urdu nahin aati sply itni hard wali... iske pronounciation hi nahin aate..... aur uspe bahr ki 2122 karte karte guum ho gai mai usme hi...... iska koi solution ho to aur easy ho jaye actule bhr samjhna....
aahna bas padho aur samjhne ki koshish karo..
10 % b samjh aa gaya kam ho gaya.. Par effort 100% hone chahiye
Mera bada man tha chacha ki shayri samjhne ka ab mouka hai par .. Woqt ki kami hai.. Dimag khali ho to
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mazaa aa gaya. ab drkhawst hai apne buzurgN se ki discussion zaari rakheN, jab bhi aur jitna bhi waqt mile use yahaaN deN jyad se jyada, aaj kasam se Delhi me hota to ek baar Ghalib ki mazaar jarur jata shayad 1% unki dhool bhi mil jaati to tarr ho jaata, ab nayi ghazaleN post karne se behtar hai isne baatoN pe raheN.... aur masood saahab aapka bahut bahut shukriya ki aap yahaaN aaye aur itni roshani dali, aapse darkhwast rahegi ki yuNhi aate raheN, kaafi kuch jaan.ne ko milta hai aisi discussions se.....



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meri darkhwast hogi mere bhaiyon se ki kuch baateN Ood-e-Hind ke baare me bhi ki jaaye, jo ki Ghalib ke khatoN ka sangrah hai... usme bhi jaan.ne, padhne aur samajhne ke liye bahut kuch hai... mere khayal se meri pichli request ki tarah is baat ko bhi consider kareNge aap log, agar jyada jehmiyat na uthaani pade to.........



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meri darkhwast hogi mere bhaiyon se ki kuch baateN Ood-e-Hind ke baare me bhi ki jaaye, jo ki Ghalib ke khatoN ka sangrah hai... usme bhi jaan.ne, padhne aur samajhne ke liye bahut kuch hai... mere khayal se meri pichli request ki tarah is baat ko bhi consider kareNge aap log, agar jyada jehmiyat na uthaani pade to.........
bhai ghalib sahab ke khato par baat karne ka idea bahut achchha hai lekin problem ye hai ki hamaare paas sirf aik mahina hai aur is 1 mahine men deewan e ghalib se maximum kalaam ko post karna chaahate hai..aise men yahaan par ghalib ke khato par baat nahi ho paayegi.......lekin aapse waada rahaa ki bahut jaldi ghalib sahab ke khato par aik alag se thread banaa diya jaayega.............tab tak aap ghalib sahab ki ghazalaat ko padiye..........aur lutf uthaaiye...............take care
   
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yahan zyada se zyada gazal post karne se behtar nahin ke Galib saheb ki kuch alag alag tarah ki gazlon ko lekar unhe discuss kiya jaye... aur kuch jo kafi famous gazals hain unhe iss tarah samjhaya jaye jis tarah aapne aur masood saheb me wo ek sher samjhaya tha.....

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uffaq saahab jada se jyada ghazalen samjhaane ki baat ho rahi hai, a mohtarma ki baat maan jaao, aapki shaama aayi hai, par haan main jaanta hun, poori ghazal pe behas kar paane me dikkten aayeNgi, aur vo ek lafz ki behas se hi saabit ho gaya hai, par haaN sabse peNcheede misre pe baat jarur ho sakti hai mere khayaal se....


and boss i will try to help u a bit in here...

waise ghalib saahab ke deewaan se sirf ghazaleN hi nahin kuch sher aur nazmen bhi uhaaiye, varaiety rahegi, aur haan mujhe ood-e-hind pe aapki thread ka besabri se intezaar rahegaa....



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One of my favorite shers from the diwaan is:

kyaa tang ham sitam-zadagaa;N kaa jahaan hai
jis me;N kih ek bai.zah-e mor aasmaan hai




In its richness of possibilities and undecideability of tone, this verse is one of the true 'meaning-machine' gems of the divan. It's the kind you could take to a desert island with you, and savor its every possible interpretive nuance. We know by now the excellently multivalent uses of a phrase like this one in the first line that is introduced by kyaa : it can be an exclamation, the way the commentators insist on taking it ('how narrow this world is!'); it can be a yes-or-no question ('is this world narrow, or isn't it?'); and it can be a scornfully negative exclamation ('what-- as if this world is narrow!'). Right away we have a sufficiently intriguing set of possibilities to energize the whole verse; after the first line we are left very eager to hear the evidence for the narrowness (or non-narrowness) of the world.

Then the second line opens up for us an even more undecideable and enjoyable question of symmetry: since Urdu is much less dependent on word order than English, both 'A is B' and 'B is A' readily present themselves as possible readings. As usual with Ghalib, both possibilities work intriguingly with all the various permutations of the first line. And, as Faruqi points out, the tone too can vary: the possibilities include not only sarcasm but also wonder, despair, perplexity, indignation, and ruefulness.

Who are the 'oppressed ones'? They are us, but who are we? We suffering lovers, no doubt; and more widely, we who are victims of injustice and tyranny. And ultimately, we human beings, living our cramped, oppressed, and all-too-limited lives under an ant's-egg sky. But then, maybe it's just the opposite, maybe our lives are not limited at all. It could be that our wide-ranging minds find ample freedom even in such a tiny ant's-egg space; or maybe the sky itself is a mere ant's egg to us in our boundless mental (and spiritual?) inner spaces (as in the similarly dismissive treatment of Rizvan's garden in). We oppressed ones, we readers, end up being allowed-- or forced, depending on how we look at it-- to invent the verse's tone and meaning for ourselves.

For another verse in which the sky is compared to an egg, see. Another enjoyable verse for comparison is the irresistible, in which the round dome of heaven becomes not an ant's egg but-- even more dismissively-- a mere wastebasket. And what else is as small as an ant's egg? Why, an inner chamber of the heart of the Moth.

The nearest comparison i cud find are: Mir's verse on ant...

ham ((aajizo;N kaa khonaa mushkil nahii;N hai aisaa
kuchh chuu;N;Tiyo;N ko le kar paa))o;N tale mal jaanaa

aajiz : 'Lacking strength or power, or ability, powerless, impotent, unable (to do), unequal (to); weak, feeble, helpless; brought low, overcome; lowly, humble; exhausted; dejected; in despair, hopeless; baffled, frustrated'



And of course there's Hamlet: 'O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams'.


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yahan zyada se zyada gazal post karne se behtar nahin ke Galib saheb ki kuch alag alag tarah ki gazlon ko lekar unhe discuss kiya jaye... aur kuch jo kafi famous gazals hain unhe iss tarah samjhaya jaye jis tarah aapne aur masood saheb me wo ek sher samjhaya tha.....

gazals padhne to net ki dusri site pe mil jayegi par samjhata koi nahin......
hmmm..........ye bhi sahi hai ham per day ghalib sahib ki aik ghazal par to baat kar hi sakte hai......... so @ahna@ ji ab har roz ghalib sahib ki aik ghazal ko lekar uske ashaar ki explaination ki jaayegi.............aap apni choice ki ghazal bataa sakti hai.......................
   
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One of my favorite shers from the diwaan is:

kyaa tang ham sitam-zadagaa;N kaa jahaan hai
jis me;N kih ek bai.zah-e mor aasmaan hai




In its richness of possibilities and undecideability of tone, this verse is one of the true 'meaning-machine' gems of the divan. It's the kind you could take to a desert island with you, and savor its every possible interpretive nuance. We know by now the excellently multivalent uses of a phrase like this one in the first line that is introduced by kyaa : it can be an exclamation, the way the commentators insist on taking it ('how narrow this world is!'); it can be a yes-or-no question ('is this world narrow, or isn't it?'); and it can be a scornfully negative exclamation ('what-- as if this world is narrow!'). Right away we have a sufficiently intriguing set of possibilities to energize the whole verse; after the first line we are left very eager to hear the evidence for the narrowness (or non-narrowness) of the world.

Then the second line opens up for us an even more undecideable and enjoyable question of symmetry: since Urdu is much less dependent on word order than English, both 'A is B' and 'B is A' readily present themselves as possible readings. As usual with Ghalib, both possibilities work intriguingly with all the various permutations of the first line. And, as Faruqi points out, the tone too can vary: the possibilities include not only sarcasm but also wonder, despair, perplexity, indignation, and ruefulness.

Who are the 'oppressed ones'? They are us, but who are we? We suffering lovers, no doubt; and more widely, we who are victims of injustice and tyranny. And ultimately, we human beings, living our cramped, oppressed, and all-too-limited lives under an ant's-egg sky. But then, maybe it's just the opposite, maybe our lives are not limited at all. It could be that our wide-ranging minds find ample freedom even in such a tiny ant's-egg space; or maybe the sky itself is a mere ant's egg to us in our boundless mental (and spiritual?) inner spaces (as in the similarly dismissive treatment of Rizvan's garden in). We oppressed ones, we readers, end up being allowed-- or forced, depending on how we look at it-- to invent the verse's tone and meaning for ourselves.

For another verse in which the sky is compared to an egg, see. Another enjoyable verse for comparison is the irresistible, in which the round dome of heaven becomes not an ant's egg but-- even more dismissively-- a mere wastebasket. And what else is as small as an ant's egg? Why, an inner chamber of the heart of the Moth.

The nearest comparison i cud find are: Mir's verse on ant...

ham ((aajizo;N kaa khonaa mushkil nahii;N hai aisaa
kuchh chuu;N;Tiyo;N ko le kar paa))o;N tale mal jaanaa

aajiz : 'Lacking strength or power, or ability, powerless, impotent, unable (to do), unequal (to); weak, feeble, helpless; brought low, overcome; lowly, humble; exhausted; dejected; in despair, hopeless; baffled, frustrated'



And of course there's Hamlet: 'O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams'.


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bhai ghalib sahab ke khato par baat karne ka idea bahut achchha hai lekin problem ye hai ki hamaare paas sirf aik mahina hai aur is 1 mahine men deewan e ghalib se maximum kalaam ko post karna chaahate hai..aise men yahaan par ghalib ke khato par baat nahi ho paayegi.......lekin aapse waada rahaa ki bahut jaldi ghalib sahab ke khato par aik alag se thread banaa diya jaayega.............tab tak aap ghalib sahab ki ghazalaat ko padiye..........aur lutf uthaaiye...............take care
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theek hai bhai.............@ahna@ ji , taish ji ki maang ko nazar men rakhte huye ye decide kiya gaya hai ki ab har roz ghalib sahab ki aik -do ghazal par tafseel se baat ki jaayegi.......zaroorat padi to next month bhi ghalib sahab ko continued kiya jaayega ......aur farhat shahzad jaise shaayar agar is thread par aa jaaye to kya kahanaa............yalgaar ho.
   
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Ufaq saab ab aap lijie koe ghazal with explaination
Aap malik ho... Shuruaat aapki hi ko karni hai
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One of my favorite shers from the diwaan is:

kyaa tang ham sitam-zadagaa;N kaa jahaan hai
jis me;N kih ek bai.zah-e mor aasmaan hai




In its richness of possibilities and undecideability of tone, this verse is one of the true 'meaning-machine' gems of the divan. It's the kind you could take to a desert island with you, and savor its every possible interpretive nuance. We know by now the excellently multivalent uses of a phrase like this one in the first line that is introduced by kyaa : it can be an exclamation, the way the commentators insist on taking it ('how narrow this world is!'); it can be a yes-or-no question ('is this world narrow, or isn't it?'); and it can be a scornfully negative exclamation ('what-- as if this world is narrow!'). Right away we have a sufficiently intriguing set of possibilities to energize the whole verse; after the first line we are left very eager to hear the evidence for the narrowness (or non-narrowness) of the world.

Then the second line opens up for us an even more undecideable and enjoyable question of symmetry: since Urdu is much less dependent on word order than English, both 'A is B' and 'B is A' readily present themselves as possible readings. As usual with Ghalib, both possibilities work intriguingly with all the various permutations of the first line. And, as Faruqi points out, the tone too can vary: the possibilities include not only sarcasm but also wonder, despair, perplexity, indignation, and ruefulness.

Who are the 'oppressed ones'? They are us, but who are we? We suffering lovers, no doubt; and more widely, we who are victims of injustice and tyranny. And ultimately, we human beings, living our cramped, oppressed, and all-too-limited lives under an ant's-egg sky. But then, maybe it's just the opposite, maybe our lives are not limited at all. It could be that our wide-ranging minds find ample freedom even in such a tiny ant's-egg space; or maybe the sky itself is a mere ant's egg to us in our boundless mental (and spiritual?) inner spaces (as in the similarly dismissive treatment of Rizvan's garden in). We oppressed ones, we readers, end up being allowed-- or forced, depending on how we look at it-- to invent the verse's tone and meaning for ourselves.

For another verse in which the sky is compared to an egg, see. Another enjoyable verse for comparison is the irresistible, in which the round dome of heaven becomes not an ant's egg but-- even more dismissively-- a mere wastebasket. And what else is as small as an ant's egg? Why, an inner chamber of the heart of the Moth.

The nearest comparison i cud find are: Mir's verse on ant...

ham ((aajizo;N kaa khonaa mushkil nahii;N hai aisaa
kuchh chuu;N;Tiyo;N ko le kar paa))o;N tale mal jaanaa

aajiz : 'Lacking strength or power, or ability, powerless, impotent, unable (to do), unequal (to); weak, feeble, helpless; brought low, overcome; lowly, humble; exhausted; dejected; in despair, hopeless; baffled, frustrated'



And of course there's Hamlet: 'O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams'.


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par ye tume explain kiya ya kahin se liya hai... i mean tumne bhi kahin padha hoga na... where????
   
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hmmm..........ye bhi sahi hai ham per day ghalib sahib ki aik ghazal par to baat kar hi sakte hai......... so @ahna@ ji ab har roz ghalib sahib ki aik ghazal ko lekar uske ashaar ki explaination ki jaayegi.............aap apni choice ki ghazal bataa sakti hai.......................
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aapne meri rqst maan li........ apni choice ki to khair jo gazal hongi badi hi aasan wali hongi jo mujhe samjh jye... aap hi choose kijiye ya fir janumanu ji .. to sahi gazal choose kar payenge discussion ke liye...... kal raat bhi maine inhe padhne me kafi mehnat ki thi.... par ye prononuciation...... huhhhhhhhhhh too difficult........ waqt lagna hai bht....
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excellent explanation taish........
par ye tume explain kiya ya kahin se liya hai... i mean tumne bhi kahin padha hoga na... where????
nahin meri itni bisaat nahin ki ghalib pe itni baat kahuN, If i am not wrong than this explanation was made by Faroqui, had gone through all this while I was trying to understand Ghalib's Diwan, and was going through it... So sorry but dnt actually remember that where I had come across this..... Keep reading here regularly N I assure you, it will be very fruitful for ur core understanding of poetry, even I am trying to learn more n more over here...



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yes taish its really an interesting topic..... i was least intersted in technical aspect before coming to SDC... but now i feel tats knowing smthing fruitful always improves ur work..... so trying my best to get as much as i can from here
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{27,1}
gilah hai shauq ko dil me;N bhii tangii-e jaa kaa
guhar me;N ma;hv hu))aa i.z:tiraab daryaa kaa
{27,2}
yih jaantaa huu;N kih tuu aur paasu;x-e maktuub
magar sitam-zadah huu;N ;zauq-e ;xaamah-farsaa kaa
{27,3}
;hinaa-e paa-e ;xizaa;N hai bahaar agar hai yihii
davaam kulfat-e ;xaa:tir hai ((aish dunyaa kaa
{27,4}
;Gam-e firaaq me;N takliif-e sair-e baa;G nah do
mujhe dimaa;G nahii;N ;xandah'haa-e be-jaa kaa
{27,5}
hanuuz ma;hramii-e ;husn ko tarastaa huu;N
kare hai har bun-e muu kaam chashm-e biinaa kaa
{27,6}
dil us ko pahle hii naaz-o-adaa se de bai;The
hame;N dimaa;G kahaa;N ;husn ke taqaa.zaa kaa
{27,7}
nah kah kih giryah bah miqdaar-e ;hasrat-e dil hai
mirii nigaah me;N hai jam((-o-;xarj daryaa kaa
{27,8}
falak ko dekh ke kartaa huu;N us ko yaad asad
jafaa me;N us kii hai andaaz kaar-farmaa kaa
{27,9x}
miraa shumuul har ik dil ke pech-o-tab me;N hai
mai;N mudda((aa huu;N tapish-naamah-e tamannaa kaa

The last one actually being an unpublished verse..... Mera khayal hai bismillah karne ke liye ye bhi ahchi ghazal hai................ Seedha diwan se uthaa kar laaya hun aap logon ka sar khaane ke liye...!!



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taish sahab chaliye aapki di huyi ghazal se hi aagaaz karte hai........aik saath poori ghazal ki explaination karna aur use type karna thoda boring hai................abhi 2 ashaar ki explaination kar rahaa hu................baaqi ghazal ki thoda break lekar karoonga

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dil bahut badaa hota hai usme poori duniya ki cheez aa sakti hai lekin mera junoon e shauq usse bhi badaa ho gayaa hai ki wo dil men jagah ki kami ki shikaayat kar rahaa hai jabki itnaa badaa dariya bhi ka iztiraab [ baichaini ] bhi chhote se moti ki shakl men dhalkar shaant ho jaata hai

yih jaantaa huu;N kih tuu aur paasu;x-e maktuub
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is sher men explaination karne ke liye kuch nahi hai...........sirf mushkil alfaaz ke maayane likh rahaa hu
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davaam kulfat-e ;xaa:tir hai ((aish dunyaa kaa

duniya ke sabhi sukh aakhirkaar khatm ho jaate hai aur milta hai to sirf kulfat e khaatir [restlessness of heart] ........bahaar ki comparison duinya ke sukh se ki gayi hai ,jo ki khizaa [ restless heart] ke pair ki mehandi hai ..mehandi jaldi hi sookh jaayegi aur sirf khizaa ke pair rah jaayenge.......yaani dukh aur taqlaaf aa jaayenge

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taish sahab chaliye aapki di huyi ghazal se hi aagaaz karte hai........aik saath poori ghazal ki explaination karna aur use type karna thoda boring hai................abhi 2 ashaar ki explaination kar rahaa hu................baaqi ghazal ki thoda break lekar karoonga

gilah hai shauq ko dil me;N bhii tangii-e jaa kaa
guhar me;N ma;hv hu))aa i.z:tiraab daryaa kaa

dil bahut badaa hota hai usme poori duniya ki cheez aa sakti hai lekin mera junoon e shauq usse bhi badaa ho gayaa hai ki wo dil men jagah ki kami ki shikaayat kar rahaa hai jabki itnaa badaa dariya bhi ka iztiraab [ baichaini ] bhi chhote se moti ki shakl men dhalkar shaant ho jaata hai

yih jaantaa huu;N kih tuu aur paasu;x-e maktuub
magar sitam-zadah huu;N ;zauq-e ;xaamah-farsaa kaa

is sher men explaination karne ke liye kuch nahi hai...........sirf mushkil alfaaz ke maayane likh rahaa hu
paasukh e maktub .........lreply to letter
sitamzadaa .........mara huya
zauq e khaamfarsaa.......... pleasure in habbit of writing


;hinaa-e paa-e ;xizaa;N hai bahaar agar hai yihii
davaam kulfat-e ;xaa:tir hai ((aish dunyaa kaa

duniya ke sabhi sukh aakhirkaar khatm ho jaate hai aur milta hai to sirf kulfat e khaatir [restlessness of heart] ........bahaar ki comparison duinya ke sukh se ki gayi hai ,jo ki khizaa [ restless heart] ke pair ki mehandi hai ..mehandi jaldi hi sookh jaayegi aur sirf khizaa ke pair rah jaayenge.......yaani dukh aur taqlaaf aa jaayenge

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Uffaq bhai jaan darasal jab maiN is matle ke thode deep me gaya to confuse ho gayaa... sawaal ye uthaa ki iske teen alag matlab hue aur sabhi sahi dikhe..

ek matlab ye hua jo aapne kaha, ki dil me junoon na samaa saka par samandar ki bechaini bhi ek moti meN samaa gayi.... par isse ye khayaal bhi to le sakte haiN, ki dil hi mera bekaar tha jo mere junoon ko absorb na kar saka, jabki saagar ki bechaini bhi ek moti meN samaa sakti hai....

Ek negative rhetorical question bhi aata hai doosre line se, ki kya samandar ki bechanee ko ek moti meN bandh kar sakte haiN...?? meaning ki dil ka shikayat karna to laazmi hi tha kyuNki use nahin baandh sakte haiN hum dil meN, ye to waisi hi baat ho gayi ki jaise dariya ki bechainee ko kisi moti meN baaNdh diya gaya ho....

Thodi si roshani daaleN huzoor, aur maauf kijiyega agar kuch ghalat interpretation kiya ho to.... par ye confusions hin darasal reason tha is ghazal ko sabse pehle rakhne ka....



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excellent explanation taish........
par ye tume explain kiya ya kahin se liya hai... i mean tumne bhi kahin padha hoga na... where????
waah mere sher............

kal main ghalib ki bio... ke sath uski poetry.... post karungaa... kitaab dhoond raha hun............ uski life ke sath jo poetry ki... hope kaam ban jaye
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agar koe kitaab blog se help le raha ho to... plz source bata deN ..

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mazaa aa gayaaaa ............

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Uffaq bhai jaan darasal jab maiN is matle ke thode deep me gaya to confuse ho gayaa... sawaal ye uthaa ki iske teen alag matlab hue aur sabhi sahi dikhe..

ek matlab ye hua jo aapne kaha, ki dil me junoon na samaa saka par samandar ki bechaini bhi ek moti meN samaa gayi.... par isse ye khayaal bhi to le sakte haiN, ki dil hi mera bekaar tha jo mere junoon ko absorb na kar saka, jabki saagar ki bechaini bhi ek moti meN samaa sakti hai....

Ek negative rhetorical question bhi aata hai doosre line se, ki kya samandar ki bechanee ko ek moti meN bandh kar sakte haiN...?? meaning ki dil ka shikayat karna to laazmi hi tha kyuNki use nahin baandh sakte haiN hum dil meN, ye to waisi hi baat ho gayi ki jaise dariya ki bechainee ko kisi moti meN baaNdh diya gaya ho....

Thodi si roshani daaleN huzoor, aur maauf kijiyega agar kuch ghalat interpretation kiya ho to.... par ye confusions hin darasal reason tha is ghazal ko sabse pehle rakhne ka....
bhai matle ke oola dekhe gilah hai shauq ko dil me;N bhii tangii-e jaa kaa yahaan bhii lafz bahut important hai........aapko example ke taur pe aik sentence deta hu ........tumko is cheez men bhi kami dikhaai detee hai......??????? kya matlab huya is sentence ka............matlab kami us cheez men nahi hai balqi tumme hai..................isee tarah ghalib sahab ne is misre men kahaa hai dil men bhi yaani dil men to bahut jagah hai,......kami dil men nahi hai.........
rahi baat aapke 3rd conclusion ki.....to ghaur farmaaiye.......oola exciamiatory sentence hai......saani assertive sentence hai......yaani ghalib sahab ne saani ko as a proof diya hai......sawaal nahi uthaaya hai koi?...............bhai thoda aur ghaur kare iska matlab wahi nikaltaa hai jo maine kahaa...........
kuch ghalat lage to bejhijhak tok de...........................
   
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are nahi bhai jaan, main to bas aur behtar tareeke se jaan.na chaahta tha ki kaun sa conclusion sabse jyada sateek baithta hai, aur aage iska saatwaN verse mere khayaal se fir se confinement of space ke upar hai, to main use bhi bahut ghaur se samajhna chaahuNga, aur saath hi me jo aakhiri verse hai jise ki publish nahi kiya gaya tha, uske baare me bhi jyada jaankaari nahi mili hai mujhe, aur mere dimaag pe se dhool ki us parat ko hataane ka shukriya janaab.... vikas bhai aap bhi aao na....



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gilah hai shauq ko dil me;N bhii tangii-e jaa kaa
guhar me;N ma;hv hu))aa i.z:tiraab daryaa kaa

dil bahut badaa hota hai usme poori duniya ki cheez aa sakti hai lekin mera junoon e shauq usse bhi badaa ho gayaa hai ki wo dil men jagah ki kami ki shikaayat kar rahaa hai jabki itnaa badaa dariya bhi ka iztiraab [ baichaini ] bhi chhote se moti ki shakl men dhalkar shaant ho jaata hai

yih jaantaa huu;N kih tuu aur paasu;x-e maktuub
magar sitam-zadah huu;N ;zauq-e ;xaamah-farsaa kaa

is sher men explaination karne ke liye kuch nahi hai...........sirf mushkil alfaaz ke maayane likh rahaa hu
paasukh e maktub .........lreply to letter
sitamzadaa .........mara huya
zauq e khaamfarsaa.......... pleasure in habbit of writing


;hinaa-e paa-e ;xizaa;N hai bahaar agar hai yihii
davaam kulfat-e ;xaa:tir hai ((aish dunyaa kaa

duniya ke sabhi sukh aakhirkaar khatm ho jaate hai aur milta hai to sirf kulfat e khaatir [restlessness of heart] ........bahaar ki comparison duinya ke sukh se ki gayi hai ,jo ki khizaa [ restless heart] ke pair ki mehandi hai ..mehandi jaldi hi sookh jaayegi aur sirf khizaa ke pair rah jaayenge.......yaani dukh aur taqlaaf aa jaayenge

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YahaaN magar lafz ka matlab kya hoga, but ya fir perhaps, is lafz ko zara sa clear kar dena bhai jaan doosre sher meN...

aur teesre verse meN bhi maiN thoda sa davaam lafz meN ulajh gaya huN, ki ise kaise classify kareNge yahaaN pe, kis pars of speech meN, to be more precise...

Aage narrowness of space ki complexity ke bare men main 7th verse aur aakhiri sher ke liye besabri se intezaar kar raha huN....



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